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Monday, July 6, 2009 12:00 AM

What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

Violent clashes in China underscore an ugly reality of the War on Terror.

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Monday, July 6, 2009 03:27 PM

@ calamine . . .

" . . . there is only loyalty . . . ."

I guess reason, empathy, sympathy, compassion, forgiveness, tolerance, peace, understanding, love, charity, selflessness, service, . . . aren't a part of your understanding of the human condition.

There is only loyalty. Feh.

Spoken like the true BORG that you and your co-religious dogmatists are. You idiots couldn't think your way out of a wet paper sack but you sure as hell can pray or "believe" your way to justify killing "others" in the name of your personal God. Religious amoral morons like you wouldn't recognize God's will if it was written in 50 foot high neon letters in Times Square.

Here's a massive religious clue hammer: God doesn't want humans killed in his/her/its name--period--even if that means peacefully laying down your own life in the face of violence or evil (he/she/it is fairly unequivocal on that subject). *Cue theological/linguistic/historical rationalizations on the differences in meaning/context of the words "to kill" (odd don't you think that the all powerful creator of the universe would find it necessary to employ ambiguous phraseology to communicate his divine will--all part of the mysterious "master plan" to confuse his holy children into violating "the Rules" for future pedagogical purposes I assume--that God what a sense of humor).

Oh I forgot the exception to God's immutable rules: the exceptions for the "chosenest" among his infinite creation--the Jew's Rules i.e. "the Rules" don't apply to us.

I for one believe my labrador retriever to be more godly than most religious people. And I'm equally convinced you'd all lick your balls and asses if it was "commanded" in some ancient text somewhere and you possessed the physical flexibility. You're all just that gullible and underevolved that you'd believe almost anything no matter how morally contradictory, logically inconsistent, factually unsupportable and pathetically inane--like headgear or beard length as a symbol of piety. You guys are too much. "Ooooooh teh evils of light switches and elevator usage on Saturday, oooooooh!" Really?

Those hats that the Orthodox Jews wear, gotta admit, totally P.I.M.P.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:28 PM

David Bird

If the Uighurs were Christians

Actually, Glenn, Christians face a great deal of persecution in many parts of the world, including China. I don't see a lot of outcry.

Did you read the actual post? For example, in the first paragraph we see

This incident in Western China highlights an important fact about America's "War on Terror."

(my bold)

That's what this post is about. It isn't about how Christians are persecuted elsewhere; I doubt many would dispute that (or Buddhists, Jews, Bahai, Taoists, Falun Gong, in short-whatever the faith or philosophy and whomever the practitioner). But that isn't the focus here.

I think you know this so I'll stop here.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:30 PM

Right wing U.S. Christians

had a lot of influence in the rhetoric of the Bush administration, and I think that many in the all volunteer military today represent their views. Right wing Christians are training thier youth through Purity Balls and teen rock events to be either the Princess or Warriors for Chrsit.

I have been watching many purity ball videos lately for an art project and looking at viewing their sites. Many of the fathers at the Colorado Springs based Purity Ball are in the Military.

They uses an Arch of the Sword ceremony at these balls very much like a 'military wedding. They have a manhood ceremony for boys called Brave Heart of the Warrior" where 12 years old are presented swords. I viewed a Christian rock concert and all the lyrics to the songs and images were war like, Nuclear blasts, Armegeddon, Christian warrior themes.

After watching all these creeping sites, I then read the new military offensive in Afghanistan has been code named"" Swift Sword". My god what is the military thinking? This sounds very much like a Crusade. Can't this just call it by a numerical code name?

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:31 PM

What if the Uighurs used non-violence rather than violence?

Answer me that Glenn.

Why do I suspect that a non-Muslim group resorting to the same violent tactics would not be afforded such sympathy?

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:38 PM

Ms. Anthropia

Why do I suspect that a non-Muslim group resorting to the same violent tactics would not be afforded such sympathy?

Huh, there's a place called Israel ....

I mean, really.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:40 PM

@ Ms. Anthropia . . .

speaking of tactics and sympathy for someone of a different religion than Muslim . . . does Scott Roeder ring a bell?

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:40 PM

@Ms. Anthropia

Actually maybe you wouldn't have heard about it. The reason this hit the news is that it had a massive loss of life, much bigger than any demonstration in Xinjiang in recent history. China logs hundreds of thousands of incidents of civil unrest per year. Most don't have 140 people killed. It's about the toll this incident took, that's why it's big news. Not because it was Uighurs or Muslims, or even Xinjiang.

And Glenn's piece is about the lack of empathy for those in the street in the U.S. That definitely has to do with them being Muslim, with the U.S. acquiescing to Chinese labels of terrorism, and China having no trouble labeling them as a result.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:42 PM

-- Presumptuous Insect

Now that was a hoot!

I hope someone does it. Hey, did Glenn not say that he was going to have a lot more time from a research assistant soon. Maybe that dude could do it each day. Or an intern maybe.

Or, perhaps the famous P.I. if he is so willing.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:47 PM

@rrheard

"speaking of tactics and sympathy for someone of a different religion than Muslim . . . does Scott Roeder ring a bell?"

Yes and he was severely condemned. Only his fellow religious fanatics supported him.

The issue here is non-Muslims making all kind of excuses for Muslim violence.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:49 PM

@Timothy3

"Huh, there's a place called Israel .... I mean, really."

And doesn't Salon have almost a weekly article condemning Israeli violence?

Glaring evidence for the double-standard of excuses for Muslim violence.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:50 PM

@PI - don't forget 1.g.

1.g. Subjects covered up by Glenn (if he doesn't get the truth out about the Grassy Knoll and 9/11, who will?)

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:58 PM

I dunno Glenn

I think you may be over reacting. From what I've read the Uighers contributed to the death toll by going around killing people. According to most news sources they had an equal hand in the violence. There is really only one way to put down a murderous raging mob, and it would likely be the same here. If the chinese government had shot all 140 people, they would never have released a body count. The Chinese are terrible at PR.

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