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Monday, July 6, 2009 12:00 AM

What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

Violent clashes in China underscore an ugly reality of the War on Terror.

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Monday, July 6, 2009 03:09 PM

omooex

For crissakes man, re-read *your own post* with my 3 quotes. I never connected the Uighurs to the US. Glenn did. I connected them to China.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:10 PM

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Article about the one woman show that is Tehran Bureau.

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Monday, July 6, 2009 03:16 PM

-- onemilarepa

The "controversy" over disallowing Uighurs from Guantanamo into the USA was probably trumped up so that the current administration would have an excuse to bow to China.

You might be correct here. As a matter of fact, Here's another person who believes that the Uighurs plight was engineered for domestic U.S. political reasons.

On his website, Congressman Dana Rohrabacker (R-Cal) had this to say....(I've taken the liberty to bold face some of the more important parts...

Rohrabacher's statement on Uighur Nationalism

Hearing, House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight

Washington, Jun 16 - A Defense Intelligence Agency expert on Chinese counterintelligence operations once said that “it is the mother’s milk of counterintelligence to create phony political organizations.” He stated also that the Chinese are especially good at it and utilize this method in order to know who to watch and who to eventually eliminate. Phony or “front” organizations can also be used to tarnish good causes by blaming them for violence against innocent people when in fact government agencies committed it themselves. We have good reason to believe that this may have been the case with some so-called Uighurs organizations.

Much to my dismay some pundits in the Republican Party have fallen for the bait and lump the Uighurs in with Islamic extremists.

The Bush Administration did not help matters. It held Uighurs in Guantanamo and labeled them as terrorists to appease the Chinese government in a pathetic attempt to gain its support at the beginning of the war against Iraq and to assure China’s continued purchases of U.S. treasuries. Many if not all of the negative allegations against the Uighurs can be traced back to Chinese intelligence, whose purpose is to snuff out an independence movement that challenges the communist bosses in Beijing. No patriot, especially no Reagan Republican, should fall for this manipulation which has us doing Beijing’s bidding.

In the Hall of Shame is Newt Gingrich. His positioning on this should be of no surprise to those of us who during Newt’s leadership in the House opposed his active support for Clinton era trade policies with Communist China, [...]

The rest of the statement can be read at the link at my sig. It's basically a continuation of his rant.

Thank you for alerting us to yet another scam perpetrated against the people of the United States by the George W. Bush Administration.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:22 PM

my country, tis of thee...

i sing: you laid zippo tracks on vn kids to save them from communism when i was young. now you admit to torture and non-judicial imprisonment for inconvenient people. in between, there was the puppet war of iraq against the hated iran. hated, because they resisted you, like cuba. then there was the proxy war of mercenaries in central america...

and all the while you endlessly praised yourself for your principles. it would be funny, hypocrisy at this level would raise laughter around the world, if it weren't for the screams.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:23 PM

Jon

This is the third time you've made me repost this. This is you making a point about the US's support of Israel. You are claiming that support for Israel does not cause extremism, because "fundamentalists" attack everyone that is not muslim. To make this point, you bring up the Uighurs, or as you refer to them "muslim insurgencies in China

I have news for you: Even if the US didn't support Israel, Muslim fundamentalists would hate the US and try to destroy her. It's not even that the US is populated mostly by Christian. It's because to Muslim fundamentalists, all non-Muslims are infidels and therefore targets. Check out Muslim insurgencies in China

Glenn is using the US attitude toward Uighurs to make his point:

For all the Serious analysis about the War on Terror, so much of it has been driven by nothing more complex or noble than sheer hostility towards Muslims.

Both of you are using the example of the Uighurs to make your points about the US actions in the Islamic world. Except Glenn's point is valid, and yours is absurd and somewhat offensive in its generality. In essence, you've only proven his point, because your previous support of the war on terror is so obviously driven by animosity towards Muslims that you lump even Uighur's, whose localized goals are so incredibly different from the transnational Al Qaeda, into your label of fundamentalist.

I'm sort of done now. As usual, since few of your points are ever even sensical, much less supported by evidence, you spend a lot of time claiming you didn't write something you just wrote, hoping perhaps that people won't notice what came before. You only waste your own time doing that, because you make your cause look as baseless and unsupportable as your commentary.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:27 PM

CliffsNotes on Greenwald

It seems like a lot of comment volume gets generated from a careless(or perhaps deliberate) misreading of Glenn's intentions.
Glenn needs to start using tags. He could tag this one "hypocrisy", "right-wing", "establishment-media hypocrisy", "partisanship", or whatever he thinks his main points are about.

Maybe one of us could write up a CliffsNotes guide each time a new blog goes up. The outline would not follow the standard format but would be something like:

1. About Greenwald's What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

a. Introduction

b. Main points

c. Points not made but imagined to be made by certain readers and argued about incessantly

d. Perceived side-taking by Greenwald: facts and delusions

e. Subjects covered

f. Subjects not covered but discussed in letters section as if they were covered, to the surprise of everyone

2. Summary, Analysis, and Original Text by Paragraph

etc.

Monday, July 6, 2009 03:27 PM

Gator90 - important and on-topic

Not sure if as a non-Jew I'm entitled to an opinion, but in my humble goyishe opinion Leonard Cohen is muy cooler than Lou Reed.

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