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.....likewise I don't think you can easily hold on to racism once the advantage of it's rejection is made clear.

I disagree. I see racism as growing out of emotional responses that are quite fundamental to all people, but enhanced or reduced by many environmental factors. Greed is but one of those factors.

But only if they wear green shirts!

-- pieceofcake

Iran has had noting to so with the act of violence committed in the middle east by Jihadists. The Iranian government's reaction to protests against the election is not much different than what riot police would do in this country. There difference between protest and riots, and there is a point in a protest when they become riots. Sometimes it is the action of the crowd, sometimes the riot police.

I have a big problem with both the right and the left when middle east or Muslim events are wrapped into into one big blanket. Each event has it's own distinct characteristic and cause.

Today Obama begin fulfiled one is pledges and one of the main reasons I voted for him, an issue that get's little press attention on Glenn's attention... Nuclear Arms reductions.

..."I see racism as growing out of emotional responses that are quite fundamental to all people,..."

Racism and bigotry is a result of IGNORANCE!

For what it's worth, B. Raman of the Chennai Centre for China Studies, has this report on his blog. It includes some information from Uighur exiles, as well as some summary of the Urumqi police report, and, if accurate, makes the situation a little clearer. This excerpt indicates fault on both sides, and indicates that the deaths appear to be in clashes with police, although the injuries are probably from rioting as well:

2. According to Uighur exile sources, the protesting students carried the Chinese national flag in order to highlight that theirs was a human rights demand and that they had nothing to do with the Islamic Movement of Eastern Turkestan and other Islamic fundamentalist groups. According to these sources, the protesters did not even shout “Allah is Great” in order not to give a religious colour to their protest.

3. The exiles allege that despite the peaceful nature of the protest, the Chinese security forces lost their nerves and attacked the protesters. Initially, they attacked them with electrically-charged batons. The protesters then went out of control and started attacking Han Chinese passers-by and shops owned by Han Chinese. They also attacked the public transport system and set fire to a large number of buses and some vehicles of the security forces.

4. The Chinese authorities moved reinforcements of special police units in armoured personnel carriers into Urumqi. The exiles allege that these units indiscriminately fired on the protesters in many places in the city. In the clashes between the students and the security forces, which continued throughout the night of July 5, many were killed. The Xinhua has admitted at least 140 fatalities.

http://www.c3sindia.org/terrorismandsecurity/643

Much of what you just made clear in you 3 pint statment was in the NYT article if one did not read the NYT article it with rose colored glasses.

You are the one of the few posters here who see the gray zones in issues,not just the black and white of issues.

these pure Germans they stuck into these Hollywood films for fifty years as prime time terrorists were lilly white and you can not tell a bunch of Dutch Tourists that the dude with the tan is harmless if he wears A TURBAN - So get a grip on yourself!

One place behind Krauthammer? What a disaster.

As a certified bleeding heart liberal kook, you have got it wrong on all counts, once again. The death of 140 uighurs pales in comparison with the millions of Christians murdered by muslims in Africa alone in just the last decade.

This is some sort of attempt on your part to defend muslims in America against some future verbal onslaught towards muslims on the internet by Conservative groups. You are trying to paint muslims as some sort of sympathetic group when in fact they are vicious, murdering thugs who are trying to murder Christians so they can go to some sort of muslim purgatory to meet up with 72 other muslim terrorist virgins for a homosexual orgy.

Next you chose to disagree with Joe Biden, who is such a dufus that he makes Bush look like a genius. You obviously have taken the position that Israel does not have the right to defend itself against any muslim nation, because they are muslim. Since the president has always taken the muslim side against Israel on every issue during his entire political career, it is not surprising what Biden said.

You on the other hand think it is ok for Israel to be destroyed by some iranian maniac. That would be no skin off your nose. If we had an American as president right now, the nuclear bombs under construction in iran's underground factories would be history. Bush did a lousy job in this area as well because he had no support from the democrat congress, since they are all the same type of pinko, pacifist, fascist dishonestcorruptlawyer as you are.

The president is moving quickly to insure our destruction by agreeing to get rid of our nuclear bombs, while the other eight nations who have nuclear bombs will also promise to get rid of theirs, but none of them will. Russia will surely begin building bombs at breakneck speed while publicly dismantling one or two for gullible and complicit western reporters.

Finally you reported are yourself as being ranked number nine in influence among columnists as measured by some meaningless pundit. Obviously you have been able to prove that the quality level drops off dramatically after the first eight.

China is America's biggest creditor. If China stops buying U.S. Treasury debt it would be a financial Pearl Harbor. I feel for the Uighurs but there are limits to how much we can antagonize the Chinese government when we're looking at trillion dollar deficits for the foreseeable future. As a fiscal conservative, I would prefer to see the U.S. government live within its means and not be so dependent on loans from foreigners who bear us little goodwill. Unfortunately the current Democratic regime is making the profligacy of 2000-2008 seem quite mild.