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Monday, July 6, 2009 12:00 AM

What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

Violent clashes in China underscore an ugly reality of the War on Terror.

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Monday, July 6, 2009 08:34 AM

Gelnn asks a reasonable question

The Uighurs never really haven't gotten the media attention given, say, to the Tibetan Buddhists. The Tibetans have a charismatic leader who has drawn celebrities toward him. The han Chinese religion oddly is never mentioned--it's a mix of Animism, Confucianism, and Buddhism. There is a lack of consideration of the diversity of religion all around. I used to hear critiques of the Catholics in Northern ireland which neglected that the protestants in Northern ireland were theologically just as conservative (if not more so) and that they were politically more conservative than rank-and-file Catholics and that both the IRA and Protestant paramilitaries were heavily tied to organized crime.

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:35 AM

@wakerobyn; omooex: Palestinian Christians? Doesn't compute....

How can our greatest ally Israel (nation of the blessed name) be persecuting Christians? Nope - them terrorists are stinky icky dirty bombing muslims, for sure.

And wiggers? Why should we care about another bunch of camel-riding off-breeds?

The rules of the game are simple:

1) Jew trumps Christian trumps muslim

2) We don't care about wiggers because they're dirty.

3) USA! USA! USA!

4) Support the Troops!

5) Buy more gas and stuff and drive around frantically.

See how easy that is?

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:36 AM

Mainstream media = C.I.A. house organs:

@Andy Cochran

Here is information from sources outside the mainstream U.S. media (aka the CIA’s house organs) regarding the Tibet riots:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8697

Canadians caught in Tibet's violence Eye witness account. http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/346763

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:40 AM

@ondelette

I'm not really seing where we disagree. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, or you are misunderstanding me.

Regardless, I have no read anything you've written that I disagree with, if you have a specific argument or interpretation of my points that you disagree with, I would be happy to expand on that line.

Thanks,

Clockwork Smurf

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:41 AM

Good story in the NYT today...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/nyregion/06detain.html?hp

When the 43-year-old man died in a New Jersey immigration jail in 2005, the very fact seemed to fall into a black hole. Although a fellow inmate scrawled a note telling immigrant advocates that the detainee’s symptoms of a heart attack had long gone unheeded, government officials would not even confirm that the dead man had existed.

In March, more than three years after the death, federal immigration authorities acknowledged that they had overlooked it, and added a name, “Ahmad, Tanveer,” to their list of fatalities in custody.

Even as the man’s death was retrieved from official oblivion, however, his life remained a mystery, The New York Times reported in an April article on the case that pointed up the secrecy and lack of accountability in the nation’s ballooning immigration detention system. Just who the man was and why he had been detained were unknown.

...

Tanveer Ahmad, it turns out, was a longtime New York City cabdriver who had paid thousands of dollars in taxes and immigration application fees. Whether out of love, loneliness or the quest for a green card, he had twice married American women after entering the country on a visitor’s visa in 1993. His only trouble with the law was a $200 fine for disorderly conduct in 1997: While working at a Houston gas station, he had displayed the business’s unlicensed gun to stop a robbery.

It would come back to haunt him. For if Mr. Ahmad’s overlooked death showed how immigrants could vanish in detention, his overlooked American life shows how 9/11 changed the stakes for those caught in the nation’s tangle of immigration laws.

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:43 AM

The Uighurs were initially "rioting" not AGAINST the government, but FOR government action agsinst ethnic violence

http://nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/asia/07china.html

The clashes on Sunday began when the police confronted a protest march held by Uighurs to demand a full government investigation of a brawl between Uighur and Han workers that erupted in Guangdong Province overnight on June 25 and June 26.

The brawl took place in a toy factory and left 2 Uighurs dead and 118 people injured.

The police later arrested a bitter ex-employee of the factory who had ignited the fight by starting a rumor that six Uighur men had raped two Han women at the work site, Xinhua reported.

- - NYTimes

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Monday, July 6, 2009 08:43 AM

@bink35

You're fighting a losing battle. The yang gui just don't get it.

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:46 AM

Tibet

Haven't yet scanned through the roughly 100 comments so far, so the point may have already been made, namely, that the article fails to compare American attitudes to Uighurs and Tibetans, which would be the closest possible comparison to make, both being in China, and both having had recent clashes with the Chinese authorities.

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:48 AM

That dangerous leftwinger Eisenhower did not hesitate to stand up to the Israeli government

After Israel achieved victory over Egyption forces in late 1956, Eisenhower learned of Ben-Gurion's plan to permanently occupy the Sinai, and he was furious. He saw it as a threat to the stability of the Middle East and U.S. interests there.

In "The White House and the Middle East..." Patrick Tyler writes that in what was Eisenhower's "finest hour" he went on television in February 1957, and said, "Should a nation which attacks and occupies foreign territory in the face of United Nations disapproval be allowed to impose conditions on its own withdrawal?"

Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, warned the Israeli's they "were on the verge of catastrophe."

Ben-Gurion then withdrew troops from the Sinai.

Today any U.S. President standing up for America's (and most probably Israel's) long-term interests in the Middle East would very likely provoke an enormous hue and cry in the media and in Congress. But the American people would most probably support a more even-handed approach, as recent polls indicate. What is needed is an American President with the courage and wisdom to act in a way that furthers not only U.S. interests, but the interest of peace throughout the Middle East.

President Obama should take a cue from Eisenhower and provide the leadership to stop a strike by Israel against Iran that would ignite a war with consequences that would be disastrous for the entire region and the rest of the world.

Monday, July 6, 2009 08:48 AM

US & Israel:"fun house mirrors". News whiteout of Gaza 21 highjacked by Israel bothers

Slight coverage: updates at www.wbaix.org WBAI-in-Exile

(www.blackagendareport.com has video from wbaix.org)

www.democracynow.org had a short report on Fri. and update this morning. I find the whiteout disturbing. Also, www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org (I'm a Jew but not a member) has had "action" coverage, as in call your members of Congress since the onset last week. John Pilger said in his interview on DemNow this morning (taped last week) that in a democracy one needs information to make choices politically. (We all know that, but it's nice to have someone in journalism/documentarian say it.)

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