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Monday, July 6, 2009 12:00 AM

What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

Violent clashes in China underscore an ugly reality of the War on Terror.

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Monday, July 6, 2009 05:50 AM

you reminded me of a lyric

So God how come

Every wrong's been done

With deals no Christ should allow?

Once the Communist,

Now the Terrorist,

With blood as thick as yours.

-Flogging Molly "Screaming At the Wailing Wall"

Monday, July 6, 2009 05:58 AM

Muslims are the new communists

But between 1991 (the collapse of the CCCP) and 2001 (9/11), "teh gays" were the new communists. With the WTC and Pentagon attacks, gays were displaced as the #1 object of political violence.

That said, what would the US nation state do if all of the over-hyped enemies were to receive a rational assessment? The Pentagon's budget would be slashed, as well as a host of other agencies offering support to the military industrial complex.

The US would be forced to redefine itself. Now, that's probably too threatening for most Americans, who've been weaned on the notion that there are "dark, evil people out there doing dark, evil deads."

Monday, July 6, 2009 05:59 AM

Of Course

When has supporting a radical islamic militancy against an opressive communist oligarchy ever proven to be a bad decision on the the part of the U.S.

Yes, if the Uighurs were Christian, and my aunt had testicles, they would likely have more support in the U.S. and she would be my uncle.

If the Uighurs were jews, or Budhist, they would likely be in the same boat (just like those Budhists in Tibet)a cause celeb perhaps, and certainly something we wring our hands about (teribble business that) but not something that we raise to the point of screaming.

The issues with Uighurs at Gitmo of course is unrealted to our general feelings towards the Uighurs, since as a general rule we do not support terrorism in persuit of political goals (anymore) no matter how noble those goals may be. While it is generally accepted that the Uighurs at gitmo were not terrorists, or at least not terrorists with their eyes on the U.S., they still maintained associations that some politicans and voters were uncomfortable with.

Support for anti-communist insurgencies in China are generally not given much attention from the U.S. anymore regardless of their philosophy. China is too strong a partner, both for global prosperity and global peace, and we sait ourselves, much as we do with Russia, with the knowledge that they used to be much worse.

Monday, July 6, 2009 05:59 AM

I think its time for a revised edition of "Great American Hypocrits"

This one chapter alone encapsulates how it isn't just the GOPosaurs who make a lie of our country's ideals; its the whole flipping 'establishment' in DC and its environs.

This is just sickening, especially when you consider the foundations of Islam itself.

As an aside, Glenn, I commend you on staying focused on these unpleasant matters of substance and not wasting time on the Palin sideshow.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:00 AM

Great post, Glenn

The Bush-Obama Global War on Terror would be inconceivable without the deep-seated racism you describe.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:06 AM

What If . . . salonistas were given some Truth?

"The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. . . . I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah." - George Bush, September 21, 2001

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:07 AM

@smurf

Yes, if the Uighurs were Christian, and my aunt had testicles, they would likely have more support in the U.S. and she would be my uncle.

Right, which was the point of the article. Minus the testicles.

If the Uighurs were jews, or Budhist, they would likely be in the same boat (just like those Budhists in Tibet)a cause celeb perhaps, and certainly something we wring our hands about

Right. The Uighurs are not Christians, Jews or Buddhists, and thus they are not a cause celebré. Which was the point of the article.

It's kind of cute, I guess, when people post to say nothing more than "I agree with you, Glenn!"

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:08 AM

The Greatest

Never liked boxing - am a pacifist, BUT Ali was, is, and will always be the greatest in the boxing world.

Glenn is such in the REAL World.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:08 AM

NOB

George W. Bush = Islamic Scholar.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:10 AM

More Truth (delivered during the height of outrage and paranoia)

"Americans who mistreat Muslims should be ashamed," the president said in remarks at the Islamic Center in the nation's capital. "In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect. . . .Bush said the "the face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war." - George Bush, September 17, 2001

http://www.islamfortoday.com/bush01.htm

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:15 AM

NotOrbitBoy

What If . . . salonistas were given some Truth?

I quoted that speech, including (if I recall) that passage, extensively in my second book. So -- just as you imply -- I'm really trying to suppress it.

Of course, like all politicians, the fact that George Bush said he'd do something and promised to adhere to a certain principle means that that's exactly what he did. A politician's words always match their actions -- especially George Bush's. That quote really settles what the War on Terror is all about. Great point.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:18 AM

@NOB

One day, when you grow up, you may recognize that in the real world there is often a distance between official rhetoric and actual policy.

It's an utterly uncontroversial premise: people generally pass judgment on what you do rather than just the mouth-noises you make at formal gatherings.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:19 AM

4th of July

Probably unlike most Americans, we spent the holiday solemnly commemorating important (therefore, forgotten) events in American history: the Bonus Army, the seeds of early Communism in the U.S. that presaged the civil rights movement, the later McCarthy-led Red Scare, Kent State, the My Lai massacre, the Sedition Act of 1918, etc.

About 5pm, we were ready for a beer.

Monday, July 6, 2009 06:22 AM

@Glenn

Provide some substantiated facts, examples, whereby we treated suspected terrorists differently based on their religious beliefs. . . . back up your straw-man argument that we would treat Christians any differently than we would Muslims, if we suspected those Christians of murdering, or planing to murder, US citizens.

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