How much of those trillions will be allocated to putting out the burn pits? BTW, where exactly would we be getting these trillions of dollars?

I'd like at least a trillion put aside for real research, and another trillion put aside for civilian foreign aid, education, and global population control.

Eugenics programs. That's nice. How authoritarian of you. Why don't you ask China how its eugenics programs are working out, as well as how fair and equally applied such policies are to those who have state connections and/or money and those who don't.

And what's this, a connection between authoritarianism and environmentalism? What a new and original correlation I've discovered.

Top down education and eugenics programs on a global scale, your vision of sustainable utopia sounds like a top-down authoritarian hell. How will this New World Order be enforced and what are the consequences for not playing ball? Will tanks still get 1/2 a mile per gallon in your sustainable world or will they run on sustainable puppy smiles?

I'm in favor of destroying the economy so we can save it.

How many people do you expect to die doing this? As long as less people die than the 2-3 billion you are imagining might die, is your plan a winner? What if 1.9999 billion people died based on your fears? Is your plan still a winner?

Who says that authoritarian tendencies were only reserved for those on the right, and not rabid environmentalists who fantasize about destroying society to save it? Pretty convenient to leave out all the untold death and suffering that would come from giving them the power to make their vision possible. Just get a Progressive Liberal talking about their "plans" for the planet and the authoritarian in them bubbles to the surface. All the hardcore environmentalists out there gave up on the idea of saving anyone and call for the elimination of 95% of the Earth's Population, why don't you?

These are also the same people are that will lecture you for being callous because you don't support intervention in Africa, while claiming to support policies that would lead to the deaths of millions, even billions, of people.

Gee, when you lay things out the way you do, I wonder why? Top-down control of all "businesses", no functioning markets, an unaccountable environmental globocop, global indoctrination of all children (i.e. "education"), and eugenics programs.

Sounds like the definition of Liberty and Freedom to me. What's not to love about this Brave New World?

My guess is that people aren't on your side because they don't like the idea of ending up dead or living in poverty in a top-down authoritarian hell that doesn't even have functioning markets (you destroyed the economy), all in order to avoid some interventionist environmentalist's unprovable doomsday hypothesis.

Ondolette Smith:

"It is ... inevitable!"

Oh, well, I guess that's all right then.

It always fascinates me that people who entertain these sorts of plans never put themselves in the position of the ones who will "have to die"; they always see themselves as being one of the survivors. It seems strikingly similar to the people who "remember" previous lives as various historical figures; they were never just some random nobody who lived a short brutal span and died completely unknown, they were always Cleopatra. She must have been one messed up lady, because so far I've met about 37 people who were her in a previous life. Sybil on the throne.

God save us from the humanitarian with a gun. People who think Mao was a liberal progressive.

Ah, yes, the words in peoples mouths people are out in full force. But don't let me stop you, I'd explain myself in greater detail but since Chris Sinnard has already decided he knows what I mean better than I do myself, there's no need. And even though ScuzzaMan may or may not have read before where I have held Mao Zedong responsible for more death than any other human being (40-80 million people), he likewise stuffs that down my throat as if he doesn't know differently.

I'm not going to bother. The two of you, with your superior ignorance and total disdain for any real information about the world, can do the yeoman's work of explaining my comment. Because neither one of you knows squat about climate change, so you're right in your element, as always.

Please, get over yourself.

Scratch an environmentalist with "plans" and you'll sniff an authoritarian. Nothing new or interesting about your behavior.

Your love of US intervention is intellectually bankrupt and no better than American Exceptionalism. You've been at UT as long as you have and haven't figured that out yet. What a shame, since you know so much and are so fucking smart and shit.

I say Eugenics.

Tomato Tomatoe.

Ondelette would make Malthus blush.

Hey, I just think you're wrong.

You are the one who comes over all high and mighty whenever anyone disagrees with you, and consigns them to the scrapheap with all the other undesirable billions who just don't get it.

I just think you're wrong, occasionally.

If I got you wrong, you could just say so. But supercilious self-righteousness amd scorched earth policy is pretty much all you got, in the face of any kind of dissent. Admit it; that's what you love about Uncle Sam, too, isn't it?

Like Chris says, you're still in love with the idea of power. Sure, you imagine yourself as wielding that power benevolently. Someone as educated and as clever as you think yourself to be should have read Mao BEFORE the Long March, and have already contemplated how the benevolent use of power is like any other drug: once you become habituated higher and higher doses are required to achieve any desired effect, until either a dramatic shock prompts a renouncement of the drug, or the doses become lethal.

We all have blind spots, Ondolette, so stop pretending you are some sort of übermensch and admit that to yourself. Then contemplate the possibility - not like it is True, but just like it is possible - that your rage is directed at Chris because he pegged yours.

Mouth your claims to superior knowledge all you like; they are rhetorical non sequiturs, claims to authority and not arguments.

"I'd have thought you'd have figured that out by now."