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Wow. If you had asked me which of those voices on the audio was the ombudsman and which was the defensive administration lackey, I would have gotten it wrong. In the real world there is no controversy about whether the US tortured, she admits, but in her own mind the controversy rages on. She doesn't know what an ombudsman is, she doesn't know what a journalist is, and in the end she can't even remember what a decent human being is. All so that she doesn't have to admit to us that she was wrong. Or worse, doesn't have to admit to herself that she lives in a country that tortures. That's just pathetic.
Thank you, Glenn, for following up on this. I'm also pleased that someone else at NPR showed a bit more character.