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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:00 AM

The suppressed fact: Deaths by U.S. torture

The unstated premise of every torture debate -- that it was safely applied to a handful of detainees -- is false

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 08:14 AM

A good bit of all that goes on because people like you refuse to be informed. -- ondelette

You mean you think I am not informed because I know how wrong you are? What a hoot and a half you are today. It is a great strategy, just call the other side names and pretend that everything done in Afghanistan by the USA was for their own good and they can jolly well like it.

I have been following this 4th generation warfare screw up since the 80s. Try reading a little William S. Lind to get some idea of how bad it is. But, I like the new strategy of your speckled eggs group --- everyone is a fool who does not want to intervene and "help" people. (no matter how many weddings are blown up)

Wednesday, July 1, 2009 08:16 AM

ondelette

@LondonLad

I'm well aware of the story.

STFU, you are not aware of anything apart from your own egocentric view of the world. The report was NOT fake. What the Afghan government official was saying was exactly in line with what they were saying in interviews broadcast nightly on the news before the hostilities began.

I don't even think you can tell us what the British have been doing in Afghanistan since 2001. You know, like commanding ISAF, or doing opium interdiction in cooperation with the U.N. or any of that.

Listen you cheeky shite who has never done a days military service in his life did I not provide you with this link yesterday? I've been following the Afghan war in real time with reports often sent in from the theatre here:

Afghan Thread: British Army Rumour Service

http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=41531.html

Then the c--t has the impertinence to say this:

But you knew all that, right? Because you're such an expert, sitting in your British pub thinking up insults and reading conspiracy theories.

What you mean having too much self respect to believe an account of the towers fall that defies Newton do you mean? You call that being a "conspirasist"? I call it just using plain common sense. Educate yourself now.

South Tower: Explosive Reality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UeLXfI37shttp://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=41531.html

And don't you who have told me lie about what you saw on 9/11 ever presume to lecture me about fuck all ever again.

If people are being tortured by Americans it is because of the support given them by Americans like you. You are as disgraceful as you are despicable.

Now if you really want to do something about Afghanistan get that fat ass of yours down to a recruiting station join up and get the fuck over there. They are short of troops remember?

Wednesday, July 1, 2009 08:16 AM

He is all fear no principle. -- Chris Sinnard

Sadly one can say that about most of our fine leftist friends, but also about our fine rightist friends. The whole damn country if afraid to death of something.

Blah!

Wednesday, July 1, 2009 08:23 AM

Interventions and their characterization

I just returned from a weeklong meeting of the AIDS Clinical Trials Group in Washington, DC. There were representatives at that meeting of the 27 international sites that are funded, either in part or in toto, by our government. All of these international sites are in partnership, and gain tremendous support from, with a major, academic research site here in the United States.

The countries represented in this "intervention" include Botswana, Brazil, Haiti, India, Kenya, Malawi, Panama, Peru, South Africa, Tanzania, Thailand, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

I don't know the exact number of people living with AIDS who are provided access to treatment through these programs, but I know it's large, and that these people pretty much had very few other options prior to this "intervention" except to accept imminent death on diagnosis.

My interactions with those folks at that meeting is one of the things that most keeps me involved with the research I participate in. I have yet to have anyone from an international site tell me, or our group, that what we are doing should be characterized as anything other than extremely welcome and long overdue.

Wednesday, July 1, 2009 08:23 AM

re: "interventionist" means whatever you want it to

"Interventionism is a term for a policy of non-defensive (proactive) activity undertaken by a nation-state, or other geo-political jurisdiction of a lesser or greater nature, to manipulate an economy or society. The most common applications of the term are for economic interventionism (a state's intervention in its own economy), and foreign interventionism (a state's intervention in the affairs of another nation as part of its foreign policy)[1]." --- wikipedia

It can be summed up even simpler for use in this blog area. It is when a government uses force or coercion to make innocent people do what they would not otherwise do of their own free will. An example would be intervening in Afghanistan to make the people their act in accordance to the wishes of the masters in DC. Another would be the intervention in economics that the Obama administration has done in the last 6 months.

I love how the Democrats took care of all those rich bankers.

Wednesday, July 1, 2009 08:25 AM

"It's racist and unreal to the core."

And your love of intervention isn't?

I watched part 4 of Rethinking Afghanistan and saw those hundred thousand plus people in the tent city, all thanks to US Freedom Bombs. The first thing that came to my mind was that thenk goodness, in a few more years, after ondelette has had enough training, he'll be able to go over there and teach then about stuff and make everything better. In a few years. Too bad most of them will already be dead. Ondelette probably doesn't care if we are in Afghanistan for 10 more years, he is hoping we are there for at least, what, four more years? So he can get his teacher training out of the way and then go teach Afghans under the watchful eye of the Empire. Then he has the gall to accuse those that want the US to pull out complety as racist, his usual cliche trump card to all opponents of his intervention fantasies.

He is no different than a blind American Exceptionalist, in fact his interventionist tendencies are exactly the same as the Exceptionalist's tendencies, blind to the damage his "humanitarianism" causes, and he has the gall to imply that others are racist. He likes to poo poo and downplay the American Military Empire because he perceives it as being an asset to his humanitarian do-gooding mission. Ondelette loves nation building, as long as Bush isn't the one doing it.

Like I said yesterday, stick to torture, your love of intervention makes you sound no different than the blind imperialists you are apologizing for. Just like you apologized for the massive pollution machine called the US Military yesterday and tried to downplay the amount of environmental damage it causes will pimping your multitrillion dollar plan to destroy capitalism and save the planet.

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