even the most recent ones with the most anti-investigation findings -- find that roughly 40% of Americans believe there must be some form of investigations in Bush crimes. That's a lot of people to be dismissing away as "nobody."

Oh please. You regularly dismiss higher numbers than that for polls you rely on to support your positions. What hypocrisy.

I'll be keeping this gem for use, the next time you use polls to make a point. I think you'll be seeing this often.

Like Newt? Like Boner? Like Mitch the Bitch? Like Tom DeLay? Like Dick Armey?

Like Michael Steele, who shocks his GOPers by mixing a little truth for to make it shine? Like FOX News, 24/7/365?

Goddamned fucking liars, every single one of them. How do they find so many fools? Who ever knew liars of this magnitude would ever be so successful, for so long?

Whenever some talking head starts spouting off about "what the American people want," you can be sure they neither know nor care what the American people actually want.

Oh please. You regularly dismiss higher numbers than that for polls you rely on to support your positions. What hypocrisy.

If I so "regularly" distort public opinion, you should have no problem pointing to some specific instances where I've done so.

Being pragmatic in Washington is the key to advancement, vs sounding "shrill". This is why Pelosi took impeachment "off the table", why Russ Feingold could get no support for his proposal to censure Bush in the senate. It is why the Warren Commission and the 9/11 Commission, and the Silberman-Robb Commission were composed of hacks and fixers, and produced questionable "reports" with "findings" that did not provide answers sufficient to settle the matters the commissions were tasked to investigate.

Obama's pragmatism keeps Bob Gates at DOD and sends a republican "moderate" to represent Obama's state department in China. This pragmatism is a cover for a "one party" political system with two right wings, moving farther to the right, seemingly every moment. Lies and distortions are the main result, but the people mostly think of themselves as centrists, but they mostly are a nice fit to whichever right wing branch of the PARTY, they identify with. Property rules the roost, the two party wings are just window dressing, and "the people" bid up prices of guns and ammunition to previously unheard of levels, just in case "the left" and/or "the poor", decide to move against them....

From some group called the "Torture Truth Project" (who, in my opinion, have a shaky grasp on the meaning of the word truth). The very existence of that ad demonstrates the need to fully air what happened.

"If I so "regularly" distort public opinion, you should have no problem pointing to some specific instances where I've done so."

Shooter offer evidence for his assertions? Heh.

I've rarely seen this amount of positive media coverage for an issue that holds so little support from both parties. Hardball regularly airs very cogent arguments for investigation and prosecution. The show is very mainstream and generally only slots partisan hacks--in this case, we've seen some very able legal experts come on and decimate the torture defenders. The New York Times has op-eds and editorials alike eschewing its normal craven and unearned respect for authority and using bold and committal language to call for at least a p&r commission. The day after the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson picked up a Pulitzer for his reporting on the election, he wrote an op-ed calling for a commission. What's more, the US public have shown a suprising amount of support for investigation, as Glenn noted, taking the polls together show support ranging from no less than the forties and peaking in the sixties.

The real question one should be asking--if politicians are indeed the craven reeds-in-the-wind equivocators we know them to be--is how can our leaders resist this kind of pressure?

What she meant was, "Nobody is interested in torture...now that Nancy Pelosi might be implicated."

but the CEO of CAP is John Podesta, a lobbyist and career beltway denizen, as well as co-chairman of the Obama-Biden transition.

Seems to me that the administration nor Podesta would have no qualms with utilizing Podesta's hopey-changey organization as a message control front to put a little extra credibility behind the idea that even "progressives" don't care about torture or prosecuting those who were responsible.

This sort of propaganda would be par for the course, really.

As I watch the Obama Administration desperately try to "turn the page" on the Bush scandals of every variety, I wonder how long they think they can hold out. Now,thanks to "Darth" Cheney,torture isn't horrifying torture any more, it's a kinder, gentler "enhanced interrogation", and OMG the debate in Washington goes from the wrongness of torture to what Nancy Pelosi knew aboout it. I fear that if Obama doesn't make an "investigative" move soon, the MSM will turn this torture debate into how incompetent he is to handle the country's business with such threats all around us. Wake up Team Obama, the Bush-Cheney rotten-to-the-core disasters will not end until you name an investigator to start the uprooting process!

If I so "regularly" distort public opinion, you should have no problem pointing to some specific instances where I've done so.

Distort? Excuse me?

I said "dismiss". Are you actually going to assert that you don't dismiss the opinions of polls you cite that don't have a majority in your favor? Here's a whole bunch of poll questions you cite on torture from January.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/22/torture/

You certainly consider the views of the minority as invalid, not "That's a lot of people to be dismissing away as "nobody.""

I think you'd better get another cup of coffee and rethink this one. More likely a timeout from reflexive angry retorts to what you "think" you read. Tsk.

Why are you so surprised about CAP's stance? Podesta has been as amoral as anybody in DC for years and a tool of the current White House du jour for as long as I've known him. His motto is suck up to the people in power. His board member for a number of years, the head of Google, has the president's ear, not to mention major benefits from the close connection to the White House and business because of it, and CAP served as the outsourced HR department for most of the early nominations in the administration. They are tools of the White House. What do you expect? Independent analysis? Give me a break. I expect more from you than that Glenn. Wake up.

They gave Elizabeth Edwards a job after somebody (probably an ex Edwards staffer who defected to Obama's team) set up Edwards in California, and "conveniently" Elizabeth's book is released at exactly the same time the Obama justice department is looking into John Edward's campaign finances?

Who do you think Podesta and CAP are fronting for? The White House of course. Just like Stephanopolous.

Washington is a snake pit of incestuous relationships. Pull one string and the whole ball of corruption unravels.

What I really find obnoxious is Obama's statement this week that "Change has come to Washington". Yeah right. What, because he's president? Give me a break. If anything its more corrupt. Bush was a dumb dipshit. Obama is smart and setting up a government of corruption that's going to screw us for years.