...if Obama, does in fact do something here he needs to deal with the Democrats that were involved with the violation of the law... vincent162

If Extraordinary Rendition is torture...Then Bill Clinton must be prosecuted... Lawrence (no relation) Libby III

Here, here. It is about time America came clean about its criminal past foreign policies. Nobody is above the law. Let's start anew.

Sorry, just daydreaming. Back to reality...

I would love to see the complicit Democrats brought down too. The Corporate MSM propaganda machine too.

She also explains how we got to the point where people were treating international law as optional. And how programs in international law were discontinued at top law schools.

I'm seriously hoping that our area doesn't have to absorb all the truly dangerous criminals from Guantanamo. Right now, I don't see what Sam Brownback is worrying about, we got all the big ones: Yoo at Berkeley, Rumsfeld and Rice at Stanford. Maybe they can combine the carbon sequestration program with Dick Cheney's desire to be in an undisclosed location.

Anybody worried about Blackwater? Just asking, because I am genuinely afraid of a privately held corporation which has 40,000 men under arms and a CEO who is a religious crackpot. And CACI. Those guys tortured people to death at Abu Ghraib.

From CNN.com today:

"Most see Bush presidency as a failure, poll shows

"As George W. Bush spends his final days in office, a national poll suggests that two-thirds of Americans see his presidency as a failure.

"Sixty-eight percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Sunday said that Bush's eight years in the White House were a failure....

....

"Only 3 percent of those questioned say Bush was one of the greatest presidents in the nation's history. Forty-six percent rate him a poor president.

....

"'The good news for Bush: That 31 percent figure is 7 points higher than it was in November, a typical 'nostalgia bump' that most outgoing presidents get," Holland added. 'The bad news is that except for the rating Richard Nixon has when he resigned, that's the lowest approval rating an outgoing president has received in the six decades of scientific public opinion polling.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/18/poll.bush.presidency/index.html

Tell me, farragut: "When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo,' masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am'? Yeah. Do you guys do that?"

When congress took impeachment 'off the table' they effectively said that we are not a nation of laws. May the democratic leadership be forever shamed by their acts.

This is such bullshit. Why do you have to speak in such absolutes when you are plainly wrong.

" ... not a nation of laws ... "

Yeah heru-ur we're now officially a banana republic /snark

Look, what Congress did was craven, cowardly, pick any negative you want to describe it, but it was totally legal for them to do it.

Either show me the law that states Congress must impeach a president for any reason or shut up already. Are you sure you're an American? I am, born and bred. Am I ashamed of my government for what has gone on the past 8-years, hell, the past 50-years for that matter? Absolutely. But that's why we have the various processes in place to deal with these kinds of issues.

Personally I am getting a little sick and tired of people putting this country down in such an absolute, no qualms about it way. If you truly believe we are now a country without adherence to the law so completely and absolutely, then effing leave.

Have you seen the latest from Pelosi? She now is talking about repealing Bush's tax cuts and also wanting investigations into certain aspects of the previous 8-years. Obama isn't even in office yet and already the pressure is building.

That is how it works.

Sometimes I think your attitude is worse than the nutbar revolutionaries.

The President-elect should, therefore, as his first official act — indeed, perhaps as part of his Inaugural Address — order the immediate detention of George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo, David Addington, and perhaps a few others, at a secret location outside the sovereign U.S., for the purposes of extracting from them evidence of the plot and the identities of the other participants, who can in turn be detained and interrogated to see what they have to say for themselves.

http://tinyurl.com/8nbo42 at sig

...If prosecutions are moved forward there will be rebellion and you will find yourself in a very lonely, scary place... farragut

That'll be the day. The good thing about authoritarian personalities is that they do what the are told!

...So some politician trying to score points with a few senators so his appointment gets approved says it was torture. Not exactly the "reasonable man" test... tonydavisnelson

Yeah, the same "reasonable" MFs that elected (I know, I should say "helped him steal") two elections.

I have linked to an article in Harpers Magazine dated Dec. 6,2008 in which Scott Horton questions Mary Ellen O’Connell, a law professor at Notre Dame University, (who) is a prominent voice in the legal community on international law and the law of war, and the author of a new book entitled The Power and Purpose of International Law.

...there simply is no way to... claim with a straight face to believe in the rule of law... GG

I loved the article but that made me laugh. Good one! As others have pointed out, the law is designed to let the Elite do just this as they control their minions.

But Bush, Cheney, etc. are not the Elite. They just might be thrown under the bus.

the "new" shooter. Pathetic. Delusional boxers-with-kitties clad nitwit with nothing better to do on a beautiful Sunday morning than "threaten" the "rule of law" loving libs with imminent social upheaval if the "their savior" who simply misunderestimated things is held to account for breaking the law. Conservative = hypocrite. Nothing new. Move along. Farragut and his Busch beer swilling hillybilly militiamen buddies will be knocking on your door very soon if GWB is prosecuted for violations of the law. I'm so afraid. Be forewarned, unless you and yours have a badge you best be wearing a kevlar vest if you show up at my place uninvited shrieking your hillybilly nonsense.