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Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:00 AM

Binding U.S. law requires prosecutions for those who authorize torture

The new Attorney General just said that Bush officials authorized torture. A treaty signed in 1988 by Ronald Reagan compels the U.S. to prosecute those who authorize torture. What's the way out of that?

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Monday, January 19, 2009 12:12 PM

New World Ideas

Straight from the 16th century!

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:13 PM

heru-huu...Go Back To Gov't School, Sonny...

Gen'l Lemay stopped the high altitude bombings and changed to 10,000ft night fire bombing. As in turning Tokyo to sand, along with vaporizing nearly 100 thousand of its best.

Yep, he was ALL shook up over those insensitive nukes.

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....!

Now, to more *VIGFM.

*Vast Inexpressible GOOD For Mankind*

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:13 PM

@ steveindallas

In the field, you use what tools you have. The more tools you have, the better.

"... like pliers. Rubber hoses. Ice-picks. Batons in the rectum and/or vagina. Electrodes. Things like that...."

Cheers,

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:17 PM

@ rawguy

I'm sure there is some US Code somewhere that has implemented the Torture Treaty, and this is the time to bring it forward. After all, any defendant would need to be prosecuted under a specified law that spelled what the punishment would be, X number of years, etc. Without that provision, any prosecution would likely fail for denial of due process and equal protection, wouldn't it?

Up to life imprisonment, and the death penalty if death of the victim occurs. For conspiracy to torture, same penalties, except for no death penalty.

Click sig for link.

Cheers,

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:17 PM

NeoConCabal

So in your world, is everyone who disagrees with you a big government liberal or something? I see you use that "Govt School" line a lot, is it supposed to be an insult or mean something?

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:17 PM

Jim

Our founding fathers were for human rights. And they were also against high taxes.

Sorta frustrating how you can't find a politician today who can simultaneously embrace both those ideals, ain't it?

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:18 PM

But can't you see that NeoConCabal, steveindallas, Ray whatever, etc. etc. etc. are bringing new and interesting ideas to the table?!?!? -- Chris Sinnard

Well, no. I guess I can not see anything new. These ideas that these simpletons are trying out were debunked back when Hector was a pup.

I suppose that one of them may have found some solace for his manifold evils by concocting a dream in which the nukes were necessary to "save America", but historians say otherwise. (as does plain common sense)

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:18 PM

Fascinating what you'll resort to, NeoConCabal.

But, most dweeboes here will eat it up. It beats workin' for your historical knowledge, eh, Boyo? I suspect that I forgot more military and political history last night than you have between those perky lefty revisionist ears.

That's not saying much, given the derth of critical thought you've displayed to date.

"Downfall" by Richard B. Frank is by far the best and most exhaustive work on the subject. For the third time, Kid, read Prime Minister Suzuki on the subject.

Do you deny there was an actual peace initiative within the Japanese government in mid-1945?

Will you please just admit all you want is to kill as many non-yous as possible and quit trying to couch it in historical examples (which don't work anyway)?

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:19 PM

Matt Taibbi

Scott Horton also points out two articles by Matt Taibbi worth a look for folks who haven't seen them.

Keeping the Knives Sharp

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004231

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/25329027/

http://www.nypress.com/article-19271-flat-n-all-that.html

Skewering Bush in the first and Tom Friedman in the second. What fun.

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:19 PM

steveindallas

There is a 100% confession by both Bush and by Dick that they committed torture. There is a 0% confession by Clinton that he committed rape. So how do you come to your 30%/30% of the American people have forgiveness for rape and torture scenario when the rape accusation is nothing more than an accusation that you are perpetuating?

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:19 PM

No, Not "Lying"

...[Steele the First] referred to ugly quotes he'd cherry-picked from some Lubavitcher rebbe and the leader of Israel's Shas Party as being representative of the thinking of all Jews. Shit about Jewish souls being 10,000 times finer than Gentile souls." -- Holly McLachlan

I never, ever, ever said that. Ever. You are lying. I never, ever said these quote are representative of all Jews. -- Steele the First

1) From the comments record of January 12th, 2009

The Roots of Jewish Supremacism: Flyers order 'hate group' out of Whistler
"The flyers are adorned with the headline “HATE GROUP OUT OF WHISTLER NOW” and carry a quote from Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, the deceased leader of Chabad-Lubavitch

"[...] A non-Jew’s entire reality is only vanity. The entire creation (of a non-Jew) exists only for the sake of the Jews.” " -- Steele the First, Permalink Monday, January 12, 2009 02:41 PM

The Roots of Jewish Supremacism II: Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef Incites Followers to Commit Genocide Against Arabs

Quote: "[...] It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

In the same comments post, he posted a quote from a Kook, which I misread as also attributable to the Shas Party leader:

"[in the] 20th century Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook wrote that "the difference between the Israelite soul... and the souls of all non-Jews, no matter what their level, is bigger and deeper than the difference between the human soul and the animal soul." -- Steele the First, Permalink Monday, January 12, 2009 05:10 PM

Finally,

@Holly McLachlan

These are not "some members," these are influential Jewish leaders. -- Steele the First, Permalink Monday, January 12, 2009 05:29 PM

I said: "Representative of the thinking of all Jews." Your exact words used that day in direct reference to a comment I made about the the above quotes: "these are influential Jewish leaders."
Your clear implication in quoting these fringe extremist ultra-Orthodox bigots is that their words impact all Jews' thinking, in a positive manner. The reality is most non-self-secluding Jewish people make indiscreet snorting noises* when they happen across this sort of smug drivel. These 3 preening wacknuts are not "influential Jewish leaders" except within the narrow confines of their own narrow sects.

*Some also do a rather effective eye-roll at the same time.

Apologies for the length of this post.

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:21 PM

Neitscheis?????

Is your point really that you found a tortured sentence on a blog? And it took you both brilliance and courage to say so? What will you do for an encore?

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:21 PM

Paul

..."I'm assuming you think Bill Clinton raped someone..."

Paul, you shouldn't use *selective* street smarts. It's unbecoming.

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:22 PM

@ itchyisgod - Sentence structure, grammar and spelling

You say my English is bad? My god man, do you even read your own posts?

Or should I say, posts???????????????????????????

??????????????????????????????????????????

Monday, January 19, 2009 12:22 PM

I should reiterate.

'time keeps on slippin' , slipin', slipin into the future. ... . blink.

So, now, ABCCBSMSNBCFOX2 wants to know "what will Michelle be wearing."! Hell if I know, but I sure it will stunning. (*& which would explain Barack's, if not Mooser's, obvious uxoriousness.)

What time is it?

bah.

~I tell you this about torture Ray Walker; assume an asteriod is hurtling at the speed of light toward mother earth. (This is actually true - I saw it on the Discovery channel.) I would waterboard Glenn, hisself, if I thought it would do any goo0d.

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