Because you can't grasp the idea that sometimes a troll actually says something of more substance than some of the serious posters.

Example:

Paul tries to equate rape with torture. I chime in and say, "Rape is Clinton, torture is Bush. Get your presidents straight."

Was that a troll? Or was it a comment rooted in the fact that 30% of America seem perfectly willing to rally around a rapist (provided he's in their party), while another 30% seem willing to rally around torture (provided that his is of their party).

Justice is subjective in the US, as it is in the rest of the world. Which of the two Presidents mentioned above deserves to be behind bars most? It's hard to say. Bush had the decency to have his attorney general say that torture was legal. Then again, Clinton had the decency to commit the rape himself, rather than delegating it to others.

I'll leave that for the real ethics professors of the world to decide.

Since when is waterboarding new?

Two hundred and thirty some years ago, disciples of the Enlightenment shattered the shackles of colonial oppression and inaugurated their conception of a haven for humanity. The founding of the United States was arguably the pinnacle of social and political evolution. Tragically, the descendents of those who ascended to that zenith are racing to the bottom at a dizzying speed.

There are people who inhabit this blog that argue vociferously that such inspired aspirations are foolish and misguided. They would take their seats at the hand of righteousness, and ride the world smiting the people who would criticize and oppose them. Torturing and bombing everyone who happened to disagree or happened to be in the way of their vision of empire. Never even once considering the result, a wilderness lacking in morality.

"Demonstrate" the Atom Bomb?!!? LOL. Only in that comfy, post-modern wilderness which the left has come to inhabit can one find such swill. Like many of my brethren in the Cabal, I was mugged by [a stupid stick]

-- NeoConCabal

My, we sure do have an ignorant one today. Say neo-thug, have you ever heard of Curtis B. Lemay? Even he said there was no military usefulness in using the nuclear bombs on those cities. Will you call Lemay a "lefty"?

But, most dweeboes here will eat it up. It beats workin' for your historical knowledge, eh, Boyo? I suspect that I forgot more military and political history last night than you have between those perky lefty revisionist ears.

"Downfall" by Richard B. Frank is by far the best and most exhaustive work on the subject. For the third time, Kid, read Prime Minister Suzuki on the subject.

I guess all of you betting on Bush's pardons have not heard he is done with pardons, and will no longer be president as of tomorrow.

Definition of torture. Reading Glenn's on going "assumption' articles about torture.

Because you can't grasp the idea that sometimes a troll actually says something of more substance than some of the serious posters.

Too bad that isn't the case with you and Ray and Neocon.

Do you clowns really think you're bringing new and interesting arguments, scenarios, ideas, etc. to the table that haven't been discussed/debunked hundreds of times here already? You're not.

It is always the same thing with authoritarians like you and your new friends. Come in swinging your dick around, get clowned for it, and then resort to calling everyone "liberals" and "leftists" who Just Don't Get It when it comes to The Real World.

Last reason that Obama / Holder will NOT prosecute Bush/Cheney:

There is no political upside.

Karl Rove (a/k/a "Turdblossom") is working at Faux Snooze, not in Obama's inner circle.

Cheers,

But can't you see that NeoConCabal, steveindallas, Ray whatever, etc. etc. etc. are bringing new and interesting ideas to the table?!?!?

"You claim we should torture people because we think or believe that they are terrorists."

Maybe time to unwrap that hooked on phonics you got for Christmas...for the quote attributed to me by you, is, well, it's just wrong Bill, flat out 100% incorrect..

its always a good sign when trolls like yourself attempt to misrepresent what someone else says, obviously a nerve was been hit, and your best defense is attack to my typing (not spelling Bill, typing) or the other numbnuts who read my post and commented on my use of ????????????????????????????????s

Don't kill the messenger, there, board denizens.

We must deconstruct again, its weak sauce to attack form and not content...I took Glenn's manipulative word choice, something I have done once before with another essay he wrote.

A skilled polemicist he is not, and sly manipulator of words and reading audience he is. read a little closer, the first sentence is abominable.

Was that a troll?

Yes, it was. By the way, the term troll refers to a person, not a message.

I'm assuming you think Bill Clinton raped someone, which is a weird projection of yours that's not pertinent at all. Why should anyone take anything you have to say seriously, Ticking Vagina Man? You've come here and lied, and said how you don't take any of us seriously.

You just want attention. Which is fine, but it works better when you're at least interesting.

Overseas, Expectations Build for Torture Prosecutions

America’s closest allies overseas never understood the Bush Administration’s obsession with torture. “It’s as if an old friend had a stroke and suddenly went delusional,” a British Tory politician told me. And as the final hours of the Bush presidency tick down, the expectation builds in Europe that Obama will do the right thing. That would, of course, be to prosecute the Bush Administration figures responsible for introducing torture as a matter of formal policy. As they all point out, this is what the United States formally committed to do when it adopted the Convention Against Torture, which was largely the product of American advocacy to begin with.

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Barack Obama and his advisors need to recognize that the prosecutions will occur. The only issue now is whether America will face the additional humiliation of having the prosecutions brought by our closest allies because we lack the moral strength and resolve ourselves to do what is necessary.

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004233

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