at the time the A-Bombs were delivered. Total rubbish. They were NOT. Nor were they intending to do anything but slaughter hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailers and marines.

Focus, fool:"The Supreme War Council..was making every possible preparation to meet[an American]landing. They proceeded with that plan until the Atomic Bomb was dropped, after which they believed the United States would no longer attempt to land when it had such a superior weapon--that the United States need not land when it had such a weapon; so at that point they decided that it would be best to sue for peace."...Kantaro Suzuki, Prime Minister of Japan, April-August 1945.

Note, Scuzzy: The Japanese DID NOT sue for peace after Hiroshima on August 6th. Only AFTER the Nagasaki Bomb of August 9th did they do so.

Further note, Scuzz: Your "Thou shalt not kill" reference as your watchword is based upon the Commandment. Further reading of Old Testament Law will show you that "kill" means MURDER. As in, "And the murderer shall be put to death".

Indeed.

Personally, I am hoping that Buhs pardons Bill Clinton for pardoning Marc Rich... LOL

Would that shut Rush up? We can dream...

If I gave voice to any moral objections to a tenet of Judaism, would I be anti-Semitic?

Not as such. What tenets of Judaism do you have moral objections to? Can you be specific?

I've got $100 that says Bush commutes the two Border Guards.

I'll even give you even money!

If it is attempted to prosecute the Bush admin for acts taken to protect the country from the likes of al queda there will be protesting that will make the vietnam era look like a picnic.

I'd guess you meant the "vietnam era" as in Ayers and the Weather Underground we've heard so much of from the RW foaming Cheetohs-eater brigades....

Are you threatening insurrection there, Farry? "Bring 'em on...."

Cheers,

Don't take that bet. It a trap.

"If I gave voice to any moral objections to a tenet of Judaism, would I be anti-Semitic?"

No, you'd be called a Jew.

against Geneva? Sorry, Kid. Which part of Geneva protects irregulars targeting civilians not in uniforms of a nation's army?

Those who got KSM to spill vital intell on his water stained sweatshirt deserve--in the words of the Evil Neocon, Dr.Krauthammer--Medals.

With Malice Toward Some.

Thanks for sharing your POV too. Cheers.

vital intell

-- NeoConCabal

Such as?

Shame on you for cock-blocking me that way.

A perfect example of that is Crawford's ruling. The methods used were legal and approved, but she call it torture anyway, making those methods illegal....

You should tell your cat to stop walking on the keyboard. She added some nonsense characters there. I think you meant to say: "The methods used were approved, but she call it torture anyway...."

Which adds complicity, not absolution.

Cheers,

Neocon responds by pointing out that you can kill your enemies out of uniform, hence you can and should torture them.

Neocon sure posts a lot for someone with such poor reading skills.

"On to something"

...meaning, maybe they had a rational reason for their prejudices. Maybe they had rational reasons for their stereotypes. Maybe the Jewish population in certain societies did things and said things that were unfair, and criminal.

You know, when we were attacked on 9/11, and the Bush Administration, and our media, told us that “they hate us for our freedom,” that is when I really started to question my history lessons. Because if a people can be lied to this blatantly, right in front of their faces, then how much more easy it would be to re-write history. It made me realize that maybe the biggest history revisionists were the Establishment.

I have always wondered why the Germans turned against the Jews. Now, hear me out. I DO NOT condone violence against Jewish people! I DO NOT condone discrimination or hatred towards Jews! I do not group all Jews together into one monolithic people or belief system. The Holocaust happened, and it was horrible. My point is, we have been told the Germans were just mad about Versailles, so they took it out on the Jews. We have been told that the Germans were just white Europeans so they of course they hated Jews. I don’t buy it anymore.

We can see the overwhelming representation of Jews in our media today. We can see the overwhelming influence of Jews in our financial industry today. We can see the overwheling influence of Jews in our foreign policy and defense establishment today. And we also see the degradation of journalism, and we see the corruption and degradation of finance, and we see the use of torture and a new Gulag. So maybe the Eastern Europeans saw the same thing? Maybe in certain sectors of society in Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century, Jews were practicing favoritism, and oppressing and ripping off people on a massive scale? Ya think it is possible? I do.

That is what I meant by “on to something.”

This is an ugly topic, and I don’t feel too comfortable talking about it, because I know how easily it can become something it is not, or taken out of context, or used against me to destroy my life. But you asked, so I answered.

Assuming I agree with Greenwald's entire article, which I don't entirely, I think there is a position that should be considered. The word "torture" for most brings scenes of the Inqusition, and there is evidence that information gained is not always accurate.

Assume that 100 terrorists were subjected to waterboarding and one out of the hundred made possible an intervention that caught an otherwise viable plan to nuke New York City, thus preventing the deaths of several million people. Would you still want to prosecute the one who waterboarded that terrorist?

We are in a new world of possibilities and need new world solutions, as well as new thinking about permissible interrogation procedures. It is a slippery slope, but many lives may well depend on our solution.

The niceties of civiliazed behavior are sorely tested in any war. We must balance the true possibilities against our moral conscience.