Just trying to get a rise out of a card carrying Cabal Member??

Right..?

You're not really one of those moral roaches who thinks 9-11 was payback, are you, Boyo? Water boarding is SOP in SEAL training at Coronado Island, for Gawdsakes.

"Torture"?? Those Islamist sewer dwellers at Club Gitmo have been brutally tortured with Muslim approved cuisine, horrible interrogations by FEMALES and--oh, my favorite--decadent Western Rock'n'Roll music. All of those poor victims have gained alotta poundage from all that Marine Cookin'. Bummer. "TORTURE" at Abu Grabby took place under the tender mercies of Saddam H. and his delicate sons on a regular and large scale.

The Americans who made the Islamists do a naked pile-up have been tried and drummed out. NO TORTURE was done there, idiot, much less "Rape"!

I can't imagine that you're interested in reading about the 100-million humans butchered by the Left in the 20th Century. But, if you are a RARE lefty, unafraid of a little torture-by-fact...take a read through, "Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar" by Simon Montefiore or "Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million" by Martin Amis.

Torture at Gitmo, my a**!

They tick? So, that's why people look at me funny. . . .Pedinska and bystander, have you two had this issue?

Dunno about ticking.....but I do get occasional backtalk from mine.

Baldie, Bauer very well may have defused a ticking vagina, but they wouldn't be able to show that episode because the turrist surveillance group at the FCC would fine the bejeebers out of them if they let that one slip......well, and then they'd have to kill us all because women would have found a new way to deal with cheating spousal units. Lorena Bobbitt is sooooo yesterday! ;-}

where the 'homies chide me about being from what they call,"Fairyland"..ie-The Peoples Republic of California. So insensitive! And every one of the little devils is a Bammo supporter.

*Vast Inexpressible GOOD For Mankind*

We really don't have standing institutions that could do it. And given all the other priorities that seem to have arisen, it's unlikely that any of our failed and failing institutions could come up with something in the short term.

-- Ché Pasa

No, we don't. When I think of one of those commissions being put together I think of that group of mostly extremely old farts who made up the 9/11 Commission. It would be infuriating to watch that happen in this case. Ugh! Ick!

I should have known you guys would get to the inconsistencies and fetishes before me. I'm still catching up.

Dude, you need to chill out. Seriously. Or you're liable to end up like Chris.

Go get 'em, Sherlock.

" Water boarding is SOP in SEAL training at Coronado Island, for Gawdsakes."

This may interest you.

SERE Instructor Michael Nance http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004659.php .

http://www.mcitta.org/torture.htm

and the best one

More on waterboarding from former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in San Diego, California

http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/

Our military, for the most part, is anti-torture. What's more, not one military lawyer would approve of our torture methods.

The facts about Abu Graib can be read about in Jane Mayer's The Dark Side.

"And so we must ask ourselves at last if terror is the best answer to terror. Mayer has her doubts. "Torture works in several ways," she summarizes. "It can intimidate enemies, it can elicit false confessions, and it can produce true confessions. Setting aside the moral issues, the problem is recognizing what's true." Mohammed "confessed" to planning the assassinations of Presidents Clinton and Carter, as well as Pope John Paul II. Zubayda, under assault, spun outlandish tales of "plots to blow up American banks, supermarkets, malls, the Statue of Liberty, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Brooklyn Bridge, and nuclear power plants," sending law-enforcement officials scurrying down any number of blind alleys."

Louis Bayard

We really don't have standing institutions that could do it

I'm not sure what you think a truth commission is or what it does. South Africa's TRC was mandated by an act of Parliament, but was independent of it.

The purpose is to find out what happened, to get the facts before the public. TRCs don't have mandates to prosecute. They are generally given the power to issue amnesty to people for speaking the truth... this testimony could be used as part of a future prosecution. Neither the 9/11 Commission nor the Iraq Study Group had this power.

I'm speaking as one who really doesn't see the Holder DoJ aggressively prosecuting the masterminds of U.S. torture and surveillance policy post 9/11. I could - obviously - be completely wrong about this. It's just my read of the political winds.

"and in one early letter you claimed your SpecOps info came from your son. In a letter in this thread you said it was your brother."

And don't forget that he was once a gay man in the Middle East.

Again, I ask you: What is your purpose here? To troll? Or do you have valid, substantiated points to make?

P.S. Pedinska is no dude.

Not just makes right in some pseudo-real-politik, consent-to-state-monopoly-on-violence, winner-write-history sense, but IS right.

Obviously you get the point, but have decided to play stupid. Be my guest. Keep up the good work. Heh.

You're really in third or fourth grade, aren't you? pretty sly work on your part, fooling all these adults around here. may the deconstruction begin!!!

"It seems fairly easy -- even for those overtly hostile to the basic rules of logic and law -- to see what conclusions are compelled by these clear premises:"

Nice first sentence for a feature essay in a major e-zine...maybe all the editors are at the Inauguration

Go grab your lunch box and prepare for your tutorial.

"It seems fairly easy" HMMMM, so, if i don't understand or agree with your argument, I'm stupid, because the Glennster has deemed it easy...wait, hold on...wth is the modifier 'fairly' doing in there?? Are the grades of easiness?? We are only discussing Constitutional law, war crimes about war activities even though there was never an official declaration of war declared, definition of torture etc... 'easy' Glenn?? 'fairly easy'??? Editors, please see me in my office.

"even for those who are overtly hostile to the basic rules of logic and law"

So, a pre-emptive shaming of your readers there Glennster,

'even for'??? like 'so easy, even a caveman could do it'

Nice use word of the word 'even', my shame for not going along with you is mounting and i have yet to reach your argument.

"overtly hostile" Roll Call please... all non secretive (overtly) outward antagonists (hostile) of law and logic, please come forward.

lets work the logic angle hear...9/11 happens dead bodies everywhere Glennster, 20th hijacker in our hands, what should we LOGICALLY do with him Glenn, play canasta??? if this guy is the 20th hijacker, he is truly a sickfuck Glenn, with intentions of killing more Americans, maybe all the Glennsters in glennville, what would you LOGICALLY do????????

I prefer to keep my overtly hostile attitude toward law and logic in the closet Glenn, so your shaming is full effect

"clear premises" the lack of clarity in your arguments' premises is glaring. swiss cheese comes to mind, but on to the bigger issue here.

let the republican party be the irrelevant party they are. They are on life support right now. Prosecuting Bush et al would give them a point around which to rally and galvanize support for their 'persecuted heroes'. Look forward. We have serious problems to deal with, stop being part of the problem and get in to the solutions. Prosecuting Bush NOW is more taking our eye off the ball. In none of your statutes is a time frame referred to, maybe later, but definately definately not now. It is beyond foolish to take prosecutorial action now...it really does not matter, and it is no where near as clear as you try to make it. If it is really so obvious, wouldn't Bush have pardoned the whole crew like his dad did the Iran-Contra crew?? Your ideas run counter to Obama's ideals of burying the hatchets and moving beyond this crap. Let these people go and work on their legacy some more..they are coming as pathetic, let them stay that way. Your lack of political savvy re: the net effect of prosecutions is what brings forth the grade school allusions....what, are you insulted? maybe even shamed a bit for being compared to a child?? Where would i have gotten an idea to do a thing like that??