Could we, maybe, create a parallel UT comments section

Seriously.

re: ticking vagina

This may be a bit of a non sequitur, but I always just assumed it was basic sexual etiquette to remove one's wristwatch before fisting-- unless specifically instructed otherwise-- to avoid just this sort of embarrassing symptom.

"Yes, I hate, loath and despise al Qaeda & its clones, Hamas and Hezbollah."

What do you even know about these groups? You hate, loathe and despise yourself. Its obvious to anyone who's ever read your posts.

GG and Juan Cole are required reading for me every day. Glenn's comments section is most informative because there are so many really informed people that discuss, question, and argue. It is a shame that the trolls often take over the discussion, but even reading some them and the replies is interesting. I am 100% in favor of GG continuing to "bang his pan" over this topic. I really think that he and a few others are starting to make a difference. What a refreshing idea after so many years of repression, and utter disregard!

I do have to comment about the "greatest generation". My father was a bombadier in the US Army Air Corps. He would not, and could not speak of Dresden. When he had the chance to tour Europe, many years later, he refused to go there. I think his anger over us "boomers" with our rebellions during Viet Nam was due to a profound sense of guilt over the excesses of WWII, and his generations' inability to protest them.

Like I said, you either know or you don't. And no, it's not magic.

But how do you know I don't know? I've said nothing about it.

How far from Ground Zero do you live, Sweetums. A-Mazing.

Well, Mr. Neocon shit, I lived very close to Ground Zero. My husband ran down the street away from the blast when Tower One went down. And I knew 6 folks who died. And waited with a whole group of people whose family members worked at the WTC, some of them got very bad news. So don't talk to me about who lived where.

Nothing justifies torture. It just means you're not man or woman enough to control your emotions.

I'm wondering if a ticking vagina could help make the perfect three minute egg. It would be awfully handy.

If EP, PDA, or anybody wants an alternate universe, you could try this (link at sig, if I'm doing this right...)

But am utterly unable to figure out any reason why the grenade being in the woman's vagina is any kind of germane factor in deciding whether torture is moral.

The freudian implications of that choice of anecdote are rather more illuminating.

I think it's supposed to make us realize that "these are the kind of people we're dealing with." Oddly the irony of the reverse is lost - that undoubtedly when being convinced to carry grenades in the vagina some Jihadist is probably saying we deserve it because, "these are the kind of people we're dealing with," - enemies torture our people, women included (I assume grenade carrying or not).

True, someone who wants to kill us badly enough to shove a grenade up their vagina is pretty f-ed up, but so is someone who would torture them. The later being at least on par in any moral equivalence game.

But frankly it doesn't much matter if they've got a nuclear device in their vagina. The "good guys" don't torture. The good guys get their asses blown up if they have to do the right thing. The bad guys torture. If Steve, his brother, son, whatever are torturing people they are bad guys. I'm sorry, that's that.

The argument that it saves American lives (which is ultimately what Steve was getting at) is bullshit. There are tons of things we could do that could save American lives that we don't do because they're morally repugnant and wrong. We could, as I've noted, just nuke the whole f-ing Middle East and by god that would save American lives.

You probably say, "Nuke the Middle East - that's crazy talk!" You're right, but so is torture, and if you accept torture because it could "save lives", then I don't see how "nuking the Middle East" is all that different. Once you've determined that saving American lives is more important than morality, you're on a slippery slope that you may as well just take down to the bottom.

Mine only ticks occasionally, but I've heard that goes with aging...

Well then, my freakishness is only going to get worse, and I may sue my doctor who says I'm pre-menopausal (I know, TMI), yet failed to warn me of this embarrassing effect.

But seriously, after encountering this discussion, I find myself obsessively pondering what I could and could not, er, hide there. Cell phone? Not my Motorola Rzr. But more ounces of lotion than that with which the TSA allows one to board a plane? Oh, I could manage that. Cuz I'm Woman, Here Me Roar (and tick).

My experience with my father, who was a navigator/bombadier in WWII was much the same. He just would not talk about it. He never voted for a Republican after Eisenhower, and he vocally campaigned against Bush 41. I'm relieved, for him, that he never got to see Bush 43.

I'm wondering if a ticking vagina could help make the perfect three minute egg.

The so-called biological clock, it ticks....

As a means, however limited, of spreading the news - Glenn is certainly one of the finest news sources I've come across - please remember to do that sharing thing. I'm committing to remembering to do this. Just a suggestion.

the cocktailhag has man hands

Great article, perfectly clear argument. Trouble is, you're preaching to the choir. Most people who read Glen already agree with his positions, and I've seen plenty of grass-roots opinions that agree with this one.

However, ever since my high school Civics class I have been aware that the claim, "The United States is a nation of laws; nobody is above the law." is pure bull pucky. I had a terrific teacher for that Civics class, and she filled us in on some of the history of the U.S. that was never touched on in our History classes but is readily available if you're willing to read books. That included the Detroit race riots of the 1940's, the internment of the Japanese during World War II, the Battle of the Overpass in Dearborn, and the Haymarket "Riot" and Pullman Strike.

The political class and corporatist press will never allow either investigation or prosecution of these crimes.