Unfortunately for you, you have no 'might' in this forum, and so your arguments remain unconvincing and silly. I only hope that you can back up your lame thinking with force in the real world, otherwise, your life must be a difficult one indeed. Which is actually not much of a surprise.

There are tons of things we could do that could save American lives that we don't do because they're morally repugnant and wrong. -- scathew

Looking at this from another angle, there are tons of things we could do to save lives that we don't do because they're merely inconvenient. Reduced/enforced speed limits come to mind, enhanced [wink-wink] fire-safety requirements in building construction codes, enhanced consumer product protections, universal access to health care, stuff like that.

Riiiiiight. Gotta look out for that internal rule of law (whatever that is).

That's a reference to a Government's monopoly on violence. As in if there's a warrant out for one's arrest, one can be made to comply at the point of gun.

And yet lost the war, the consent of a generation, and moral leadership in the world. Discuss.

Did the North Vietnamese win by force? Yes they did. Moreover the luckless civilians in Vietnam and Cambodia died in the millions by the same wielders of force. It didn't matter whether you think Communism is good or bad. At that moment it was the defacto ruling philosophy. By force.

The League of Nations, and the United Nations represent two different attempts last century to buck the "guy with the gun makes the rules" idea.

And didn't that turn out lopsided. The UN is actually the "Brotherhood of Despots and Tyrants" enabling anything and everything within a dictator's borders. Zimbabwe, Venezuela, and Saudi Arabia are my favorite examples. Absolute rule by force in nutshells. In short, might is right.

WITH MALICE TOWARD SOME. Indeed.

You have become as you beheld: an animal, with no higher aspiration save to murder and destroy.

Want to see what threatens our national security? Look in a mirror.

I doubt you have the piles to do even that.

...rather than just enduring another Clinton-impeachment style clusterfuck.

-- Paul Daniel Ash

I disagree that it would necessarily be anything like that. The Clinton Impeachment and everything surrounding it was based on hooey and nothing more. This situation we're discussing has about as Real-World circumstances as is possible. When ugly facts begin to come out fast and furiously it won't be a joke or a clusterfuck. It will be the real deal, and, unlike the Clinton Impeachment, where polling always ran high against the clowns going through with it, this investigation will grow in approval as the facts more and more continue to warrant the necessity of it.

They give themselves away quite early these days.

Oh, we went round and round with "Ticking Vagina Man" (h/t scathew, my pick for rookie of the month, BTW) yesterday, you missed it. Meno male, as my grandpa the Italian anarchist used to say. Better for you.

I started out to make a serious point: That Obama would steer away from any prosecution, simply because there was no political upside to it. I didn't say whether I thought this was a good or bad thing; I simply said that this is the way things would probably go.

People seemed to get irate over this viewpoint, so I decided to have some fun.

From that point, about 60% of what I said was true -- including the vagina grenade part. But no torture was used. And grenades do not tick, for what it's worth.

Water boarding is torture. There where over 700 prisoners at Gitmo, and many more at Abu Graib, we tortured many innocent people, so the right could have revenge. That revenge has hurt our our fight against murderers like Bin Laden in many ways, and takes away our moral high ground. To be perfectly clear, torturing these people, has hurt our efforts!

"I was mugged by reality 30-years ago"

It happens to many mediocre, untalented and unpleasant people. Don't take it so hard.

Devastated, I tell ya.

cluelessness and moral vapidity. Such a luxury.

"Demonstrate" the Atom Bomb?!!? LOL. Only in that comfy, post-modern wilderness which the left has come to inhabit can one find such swill. Like many of my brethren in the Cabal, I was mugged by reality 30-years ago and moved from The Dark Side(yours). But NEVER did I possess--even at my most leftist--the unholy bleakness of your absence of a moral polar north, Boyo.

One of the strong reasons I moved into the light.

Like The 462nd Hellbirds Motto Reads: WITH MALICE TOWARD SOME.

Indeed.

Immunity for all ,the Clintons,the Bushes get the truth and prosecute only for anyone who isn't honest and forthcoming about the whole mess.

I'm actually with agreement with you on this point. If we had a functioning political/legal system, prosecutions would be warranted, and salutary. Given the state of things, though, I'd prefer a truth commission... and yes, I know the use of the term "truth" pushes buttons, but I'm using it in the South Africa sense: testimony, immunity, amnesty. It works.

We need to know what happened so we can move on. Not that I think there's a snowball's chance in Guantánamo of it ever taking place, but I think it'd be our best chance of actually healing as a society, rather than just enduring another Clinton-impeachment style clusterfuck.

They give themselves away quite early these days.

"(and mine)by vapid moral equivalence. Cool. 3,000 Innocents--mostly American--are slaughtered one morning by Islamist sewage on a mission designed by Khalid Sheik Mohammad...And, when his nasal passages are subsequently introduced to moisture, you strenuously object. You lefty nitwits stagger me AND your dead WTC friends. Trust that, Looneytune."

I never took anything you had to say seriously. That's definitely not going to change.

Dude -- Rape is Clinton, torture is Bush. You need to get your presidents straight.

Good to know you're just morally unserious, and not here to make a real point.

Troll on, "dude."