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Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:00 AM

Binding U.S. law requires prosecutions for those who authorize torture

The new Attorney General just said that Bush officials authorized torture. A treaty signed in 1988 by Ronald Reagan compels the U.S. to prosecute those who authorize torture. What's the way out of that?

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Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:07 PM

At-CHOO!

The sudden blast of frigid cold in SE Pennsylvania has nailed me with a rotten cold. My head feels like it's filling up with a thick, noxious goo; it's like having phlegm clots like Farragut, WinSmith, Shooter, etc. oozing around inside there. So my ability to participate is seriously compromised, dammit.

That disclaimer made:

I presume that Farragut is suggesting that if Obama authorizes rigorous and comprehensive DOJ investigations and green-lights prosecution for the departing (war)criminals in the Executive Branch --and their bi-partisan enablers; in for a penny, in for a pound!-- that Farragut and thousands of other witless, primitive, violence-loving goons will start Kicking Ass and Taking Names.

Farragut and his imaginary friends aspire to promote a vicious, reactionary, mob-rule, lizard-brain mentality-- a secular complement to the likes of Reverend Fred Phelps and his intrepid band of screaming meemees. (Or, for the other Tolkien fans about, the fighting Uruk-hai, except armed only with halitosis.)

About the only thing worth noting from its arrant bluster is that if Obama does give the green light, the corporate media infotainwhore commentariat most likely will push back by pandering to the Farraguts. There is ample material for bloviating here, as Farragut unintentionally reveals. If Obama authorizes prosecution without fear or favor, only an extraordinary display of general public support will nullify the media's reactionary penchant for second-guessing and nervously challenging such a novel exercise of executive authority.

So there may indeed be much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the blockheaded Farraguts and smarmy "inside politics" infotainwhores questioning the, er, pragmatism of such a problematic course of action.

Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:09 PM

PDA

Since most bullies are also cowards, I suspect that the years of maltreatment the Bush Administration inflicted on innocent Afghani peasants to get them to make false confessions will not be necessary to get Bush and his cronies to confess. A month of hypothermia, sleep deprivation, and stress positions, or a few minutes on the waterboard, should suffice. Their confessions will retrospectively justify the interrogations. And of course they cannot be given the right to counsel, since their lawyers would necessarily learn about the interrogation techniques, which are Top Secret Codeword material as intelligence sources and methods, despite the fact that everyone in the world knows what they are.

This may be the only way under heaven that you would get folks like Shooter and farragut to reverse their positions on this. But they will do it with not a shred of understanding of the hypocrisy involved, so we wouldn't get nearly the schadenfreude out of it we should.

Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:15 PM

A bad comparison, aeschylus.

Bush will pay the same consequences for his wartime excesses that Lincoln and Roosevelt paid for their own -- none whatsoever.

Its bad for two reasons:

1. neither of those worthies actually survived to the end of their final terms; Bush has no such escape.

2. both of those worthies were engaged in an actual war against a clearly identified enemy and working towards a clear objective; again Bush has no such clarity.

Its too soon to say if there will be actual prosecution, but the breeze is at least blowing in the direction of actual investigations now. Its a hopeful start, if nothing else.

Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:16 PM

Great art. GG:

The Constitution says it is the House that has the powers of raising an army..and also crealy states that it is the House that overseas prisoners...

So I believe hiring Blackwater..along with rendition and torture...is clearly an abuse of of power by the Executive Branch.

I also believe that that is why the EO used terminology like "enemy combatant" to muddy the waters, blur the lines between EO and Congress..

I fully believe they knew that this was a powergrab..

We also notice how the DOJ was stocked with dimbulbs to keep passing GOP agendas..

This is no accident of course..

Look at last weeks ruling about torture..

I do not believe the ruling should stand..and it seems more than clear that the House had the authority to oversee these things..yet the ruling decided otherwise..

But the WH simply got lawyers like Yoo, Feith, Addington, Bybee

and others to simply usurp Congressional power and ceded it to their own lawyers..get those partisan loyalist judges in there..and before long...you can just pass these lawyers memos off as fact-leaving the House completely out of the process..

Again..abuse of power..

After 8 yrs...all of the rulings...helped by a mainly GOP House & Senate, and loyalists judge rulings-were supposed to have completely erased any memory of House Powers from both thier(Congresss') minds and the publics..

Sorry dudes..I've been watching...paying attention..and I see EXACTLY what they've been doing..

Executive Branch lawyers don't get to take the place of the House which is there to provide oversight..no matter how much the EO wants to bully anyone into believing it..

That to me, is where the real crime and coverup of abuse of power to usurp from Congress and to replace with sham of EO legalese/lawyers (who have no power granted them-despite what judges rulings have been)to take the place of Congressional oversight re both the military and prisoners..

MUST BE PROSECUTED.

Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:17 PM

THE GREAT BUBBA UPRISING OF '09!

On the day they prosecuted Gearoge W. Bush for torture, the bubbas of America decided that they would not let their messiah be humiliated like this and got their guns, sat down by the radio, and waited for their Dear Leader to give them their marching orders. The orders never came. Unbeknownst to the bubbas, their leaders were really cowards who are all talk and no substance. When push came ot shove, they fell over. So the uprising never happened. And George W. Bush was convicted. The End.

Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:18 PM

El Cid

"Oh, it'll happen, sure as the sun come up in the morning," said Buford Comstock, 26, a student at Over 'N' Back Diesel Driving School in Union City, TN. "The South is gonna rise up, just as soon as we get together and get all our shit back in one sock. Then, look out, Northerners!"

LOL! So we'll be ok as long as we keep an eye on the Shit Sock.

Should be begin to worry when it starts to look full or can we wait until they actually start slinging it around in a circle over their heads? ;-}

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