Because it's true, moreover you are helping enable those attacks. Duh.

The Palestinian people hang on my every word? Hamas checks in here regularly to hear my wisdom and get their orders? Omooex, is this true?

Scooter, you've said some stupid shit, but this is embarrassing.

So, my neighbors start throwing rocks into my yard and at my house. I have the right, nay the responsibility, to spray their property with my sub-machine gun to protect myself and my family. To teach 'em a lesson, ya know. Not an exact analogy, but close as far as the concept of proportionality goes.

Didn't you know? We control the media too.

I ask in all seriousness. So far as I am aware, the only right to exist is in the individual/literal sense, i.e., each individual has a right to exist. Beyond that, is there any collective right to existence or nationhood? For example, when Joe Biden advocates for splitting Iraq, I never hear anyone hollerin' about Iraq's "right to exist".

By that I mean the state of Israel's right to exist, the entity foisted upon the people of Palestine by the victorious British & American powers in 1948.

By their bullying, murderous actions, Israel as a political entity has forfeited its "right to exist."

Maybe it's past time for the One State Solution?

It's far easier to imagine a population subjected to this treatment becoming increasingly radicalized and belligerent rather than submissive and compliant, as Friedman intends.

Indeed, and our own history is an example of this. The British responded to the "Boston Tea Party" by closing the Port of Boston and passing what the Americans referred to as "the Intolerable Acts" in an attempt to inflict enough pain on the civilian population, especially in Boston, to teach the radical Whigs in the colonies a lesson and turn popular sentiment against them. I don't notice that the results were what the British intended.

of lynching. Klansmen and their silent partners in the government used lynchings to turn blacks against civil rights workers by showing them what would happen to them if they did not back away from "outside agitators." These domestic terrorists justified their behavior by saying that they were just protecting their way of life, their women, their children, and so any action, no matter how extreme, was justified.

Israel is a rogue state and worse than a state sponsor of terrorism: a terrorist state. All of its leaders should be arrested and tried before the International Court of Justice.

And I am sure that Mr. Greenwald will pull out his Jewish credentials at some point (I am just guessing), butthat alone does not forgive Mr. Greenwald's hate.

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I admit that it may be impertinent, even gauche, to interrupt the sturm und drang with foolishness.

Still, I can't help ruminating over the term "butthat" in the snark excerpted above.

I thought it might be a slang term for "yarmulke", or some specialized type of prophylactic device.

Or indeed, Iraq's right to exist as a military dictatorship.

an m.d. in the medical sense: anecdotes, antidotes, personal experience....This thread has gone to the dogs or, if you prefer, is spiraling out of control which is, I supect, what was intended.

1. Israel is a theocratic state.

2. Israel is not a true "democracy" as Israel's minority

Palestinian population doesn't enjoy full citizenship.

3. Israel is a racist state.

5. Israel owes its military supremacy to the American

taxpayer.

6. Israel is a nuclear power, despite having a population of

only 7.1 million.

Yes, and unless Israel changes its tune, and America too, the world is skidding towards a mystery wrapped up in an enigma.

Credit where credit is due. Nicely done.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-05/tgmwc-05-41-02.shtml

Fritzsche was a credulous propagandist indeed if he gloriously praised the exploitation policy of the German Reich, chiefly or especially because the competent authorities gave him a sales talk on the voluntary placement of manpower.

Fritzsche is not being presented by the prosecution as the type of conspirator

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who signed decrees, or as the type of conspirator who sat in the inner councils planning all of the overall grand strategy of these conspirators. The function of propaganda is, for the most part, distinct from the field of such planning. The function of a propaganda agency is somewhat more analogous to an advertising agency or public relations department, the job of which is to sell the product and to win the market for the enterprise in question. Here the enterprise, we submit, was the Nazi conspiracy. In a conspiracy to commit fraud, the gifted salesman of the conspiratorial group is quite as essential and quite as culpable as the master planners, even though he may not have contributed substantially to the formulation of all the basic strategy, but rather contributed to its artful execution.

[but this is enough, Fritsche was not convicted]

Glenn wrote:

"On a different note, another new poll -- this one from Pew -- shows Americans, and especially Democrats, deeply divided on what U.S. policy towards Israel should be in this case."

And that's with non-stop propaganda from the media and the politicians.

Imagine what the poll results would be if the media and politicians told the truth!

And imagine if the media showed footage from Gaza. Imagine them replaying the footage like they did of the World Trade Centre collapsing.

No one here has ever "defended" indiscriminate home made rocket attacks against Israel by Hamas.

No one here has ever "defended" the reckless endangerment of Palestinian civilians when subjected to American made "smart" bombs and an Israeli policy of "infrastructure" demolition or "anti-Palestinian nationalism" (also known as "nationalism for Palestinians but only on Israels terms which incidentally have been demonstrably historically "rejectionist" as have the Palestinians--plenty of blame to go around).

Do you think all of the infrastructure destroyed belonged to Hamas?

How is bombing deaths of children/non-combatants by either Hamas or Israel ever going to yield an environment conducive to peace?

Most around here aren't the ones "enabling" more war. If I could selectively choose not to pay one more penny, ever, if it went to producing American made military hardware or appropriate one more dime for another nation to be given that hardware as "aid", I'd do it tomorrow. And I predict the world would be an infinitely safer place.

There are two legitimate moral uses for the American war machine--defend our borders (and those of our allies if asked or by treaty obligation) by repelling imminent or actual attacks specifically those presenting an existential threat and to stop a genocide/cleansing in the world (Israeli or otherwise). Lesser attacks should be treated proportionally and/or as a criminal matter. That's why all this "balance of power" "America's interest" bullshit theory is simply rubbish. It's propoganda perpetrated against the people (not for the people) to execute the economic and hegemonic agendas of the powerful. Nothing more nothing less. That anyone buys into it makes them a fool.

America's proved that once you've lost the "moral" high ground you lose the "war". Israel lost this one a week ago. That doesn't mean they won't stop bombing what little bit of humanity is left in Palestine, then will come the "camps" for some and "settlements" for others.

I'm curious about everyone's definition of "aggressor" here. People who have consistently been occupied, harrassed, bombed, arrested, herded into "camps", OR the "civilians" sitting on hillsides sipping Pepsi watching bombs drop onto what's left of peoples homes, places of work, hospitals, civil institutions, children, journalists, Red Cross workers, and doctors.