Yes, I read what you wrote. And you then wrote this:

There has to be an agreement though.

No, there doesn't. Israel occupies territory it does not own. It controls populations it does not include. It does this with American aid and support. This must stop first. Then maybe there will be agreement.

Oh please. Who eggs on the Palestinians to fight and die in an everlasting war? Glenn and the Bittoheads.

He [winsmith] even writes diaries on Daily Kos! What more proof do you need of his lefty/progressive street cred?

-- Chris Sinnard

I've noticed that he does bring that up rather often.

Israeli apologists like Freidman operate in the moral universe of not very nice six-year olds: I had to hit him because he hit me first, he asked for it, I taught him a lesson, he made me do it, it's all his fault, etc. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of space between adults thinking this way and adults with powerful weapons committing unspeakable acts (or abetting them.) There's a reason we teach our children to think and behave more responsibly and compassionately. But if you believe, as the Israelis and their cheerleaders seem to, that your ethnicity is more valuable and authentically human than other people, than you can justify almost anything.

I suppose the numbers of those killed and injured (overwhelmingly Palestinian) supports this "contention." Brilliant, as usual. -- Timothy3

I see you aren't any smarter than the Palestinians. It can only be religious irrationality that spurs the drive to martyrdom via attacking a superior military force. Smarter people would recognize reality, however unfair it may seem, and build a future for themselves and their children. Choosing death is an obscenity that you and Glenn seem to treasure.
Maybe you two could hook with Mugabe for a while and give the Palestinians a rest from the encouragement to suicide.

The Security Council will then adopt its own terms for an end to the conflict, and will arrange for an international force to enter the occupied territories to help establish the rule of law,

First Gary Kamiya, now Mr. Greenwald. Without picking apart the logic behind the post, to call Tom Friedman a "Zionist apologist" is without any support. Mr. Friedman wrote the seminal book on the Israeli/Palestenian issue (From Beirut to Jerusalem), which in 1988 (yes 20 year ago) called for a two state solution. This idea was so revolutionary at the time, and Mr. Friedman was almost uniformly condemned by the Jewish community (which he was and is apart of). Mr. Greenwald can attack Mr. Friedman's logic (which is almost impossible in the context of self defense--which all but the true fringe elements recognize), but the attack on Mr. Friedman himself (without providing any historical background and context on his views) show bias pure and simple. And I am sure that Mr. Greenwald will pull out his Jewish credentials at some point (I am just guessing), butthat alone does not forgive Mr. Greenwald's hate. My guess is that Mr. Greenwald, who has manufactured a living attacking the civil rights abuses of the Bush Administration(rightly) is looking for a new source of anger. Why not pick the Jews, and if they claim, I am an anti-semite, I will throw my religion at them. It is sick, and unforgiveable, and it is a tragedy that this great magazine is allowing this to happen.

"Most people insert some sort of pro forma language that killing by Muslims is also detestable. The lack in your post, tells all."

i guess i gotta go ahead and retract what i said about you adding to the conversation. i know you talk infinitely more than i do, but i faintly recall a conversation we had about torture on this site. you were pro, i was against, if memory serves, and your last comment to me was along the lines that i could only be against torture because there was nothing in my life i couldnt stand to lose, or some similar cowardly bullshit. or maybe it was the elephant, you two are a bit interchangeable.

i generally remember the things i say, and what people say to me. if you could, it should be an easy jump from "anti-torture" to "anti-murder" but it must be expecting too much to think you had any interest beyond scoring points. i have mentioned issues of faith a few times in comments to various articles, suffice it to say i consider myself christian (and thus necessarily more pro-israel than most people here) and pacifist.

funny that a person who so clearly delights in the loss of palestinian life would think he could score points by accusing me in delighting in the loss of israeli life. one is only worse than the other if israeli life is worth more than palestinian. which you clearly believe.

many young palestinians have grown up with wasted and traumatized years of childhood, despair and resentment. Virtually all of them cannot forgive israel for taking away their land, and for the killing of their friends and relatives by the IDF. They are willing to fight for their land through all means, armed or otherwise (writing, music etc). they certainly do not need any egging on from glenn or any of us from the comfort of our computer screens.

"Territory it does not own?" What might that be? Legally, under the rule of war, it owns all the land it conquered in a war in which Arab states were the aggressors. The UN has no legal right to declare those gains illegitimate. No Arab states except for Egypt and Jordan have recognized the borders of Israel, and they only recognized contiguous borders. The determination of whose land is whose must come at the negotiating table. Remember---after the 1967 war, Israel immediately offered the conquered territories back in exchange for peace. Why must Israel give back territory so that new attacks can be made across Israel's now 9-mile width? Withdrawal only comes with peace.

It can only be religious irrationality that spurs the drive to martyrdom via attacking a superior military force.

Yes, exactly.

If only those damn Minutemen (the Revolutionary War ones, not the ones led by Mike Watt) didn't exist to blow this theory to shit!