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Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:00 AM

Criticisms, political pressure and Barack Obama

The president-elect's advisors respond to the firestorm created by Sunday's remarks on Guantanamo, illustrating the value of criticizing Obama when he deserves it.

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Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:42 PM

@ PDA

Despite whatever went down recently with his dispute with Glenn, for years he was, to me, a fucking Oracle at Delphi.

Short timers, like kathriven, really don't have a grasp on the wealth of knowledge that our inestimable friend bestowed on us before he had his falling out with Glenn. Thank you for standing up for him.

For the haters, a warning: the mind you fuck may be your own.

People are always so quick to condemn that which they don't understand. The part about stretching their minds, experiences and knowledge just sort of gets left by the wayside......

Sad.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:42 PM

@ Baldie McEagle

"folks here on Salon advocated against it.

Who?"

-- Baldie McEagle

I'm afraid I don't recall, and it would take some searching on my part to find it again. If you can give me a good enough reason to do so, I may do that search.

For now, I'll just ask you all again, will you pledge to throw a shoe at these guys if in range? I do so hereby pledge.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:44 PM

Assorted Responses!

Paul Daniel Ash: I have a magic rock that keeps grizzlies out of my yard here in Boston. I haven't seen a single grizzly since I got it. So it works.

I want to buy that rock!

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LondonLad: Speaking for myself, Kafka has been internalized; meanwhile, ordinary life has become so Kafkaesque that, for better or worse, it seems to go without saying. I often wonder if anyone else "remembers" existentialism; it doesn't mix very well with pragmatism, which is all the rage.

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The Canadian: Jim Douglass's “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” is indeed a fine book; I join in your recommendation. Perhaps it will be off-putting to note that it precipitated an interest in JFK and his assassination that has caused me to delve into the literature. As LondonLad, I believe, opined during a spin on the thin ice of Discussing the Events of 9/11 here, the more one troubles to learn about such world-shattering events, the more one realizes how utterly relevant and crucial such events are to the present.

(Incredibly, as I am typing this, in the background Helen Thomas-- being interviewed by Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now"-- is remarking that the Amerikan press corps "lost their guts" after 9/11, and didn't question and challenge the administration.)

Ché Pasa: Fuck Conyers, not to put too fine a point on it. He's a time-serving tapdancer. Having Cindy Sheehan and her companions arrested and forcibly removed from his office by Capitol police was the icing on the cake.

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Derbig: If your eye falls on a bargain, please pick it up!

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:45 PM

sysprog

More Sartre

GARCIN: Et à quoi les reconnaît-on les bourreaux, s'il vous plaît?

INÈS: Ils ont l'air d'avoir peur.

GARCIN: Peur? C'est trop drôle. Et de qui? De leurs victimes?

INÈS: Allez! Je sais ce que je dis. Je me suis regardée dans la glace.

* * * * *

GARCIN: And, how are you so great at identifying torturers?

INEZ: They look frightened.

GARCIN: Frightened? Ridiculous! Of whom? Of their victims?

INEZ: Laugh away, but I know what I'm talking about. I've often watched myself in the mirror.

WOW! Nice catch. Where did it come from?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:46 PM

normbreyfogle

Indeed, and hooray for them! And yet, many of our founding fathers owned slaves! Go figure.

-- normbreyfogle

What an inane reply. Not only does it have nothing to do with the discussion, or to do with my last comment, your reply is an avoidance of the utmost transparent order. Plus, it is a grotesgue over simplification of the facts.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g003.html

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:50 PM

@ Kitt

"What an inane reply. Not only does it have nothing to do with the discussion, or to do with my last comment, your reply is an avoidance of the utmost transparent order. Plus, it is a grotesgue over simplification of the facts.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g003.html"

-- Kitt

It's not "inane" that people who fought for freedom from opression oppressed others. That was only one part of my post, anyway. Why are you so hostile? You STILL don't get that you and I are on the same side?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:51 PM

Littlebrother

"I often wonder if anyone else "remembers" existentialism;"

Well George Bush did. Do you remember him saying, "Al Queda constitutes an existential threat to our very way of life."

We in Old Europe were very impressed. We never imagined Bush fans from The Ozarks read Sartre before!

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:52 PM

Glenn is 100% right; Obama has the political capital now, but could ruin it

Do you remember the goodwill and political capital Bush had post-9/11? Remember how he converted a 75% approval rating to a 25% approval rating? Remember how America once had moral authority, then lost it?

Now Obama has the goodwill, the political capital, and the support of the whole world. If he doesn’t do the right thing, he throws it all away, just like Bush did.

Now’s the time to do it right. The whole narrative must change from lies and illusions to truth and reality, and actions must follow this change in narrative.

When the FISA vote came, Obama justified his bad vote using the Bush security narrative. This proved that he was willing to do the wrong thing.

If we don’t put pressure on Obama, then the neocons will instead. It’s handing the game to them. This is so obvious that it is surprising that it even needs to be stated.

Glenn is 100% right on this one.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:52 PM

Pedinska Steps Up

What she said: bring back the bop; he's the hot sauce, the savory, the herbiferous flavoring of the stew here.

Make it so, Glenn!

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:54 PM

normbreyfogle

For now, I'll just ask you all again, will you pledge to throw a shoe at these guys if in range? I do so hereby pledge.

-- normbreyfogle

That's all really cool and shit but don't you think it just sounds stupid in a thread that happens to be about writing articulately on the internet about something the PE said on TV, and having millions reply in various ways in disagreement with Obama's TV appearance, and then having gotten results for having done so?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 03:57 PM

LL

re: Sartre

"Huis clos", la troisième scène (je pense que oui)

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