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Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:00 AM

Criticisms, political pressure and Barack Obama

The president-elect's advisors respond to the firestorm created by Sunday's remarks on Guantanamo, illustrating the value of criticizing Obama when he deserves it.

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Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:35 PM

Wow - completely OT

I just received, in the mail from The Salon Media Group, a copy of GG's "How Would A Patriot Act?" Don't know why, but it's a nice surprise!

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:36 PM

Re: "stage left, pursued by flying plates"

http://www.toonopedia.com/content/snaggle.htm

Snagglepuss

Original Medium:Television animation
Produced by: Hanna-Barbera
First Appeared: 1959

He was a pink lion, quite friendly and civilized, but sometimes mistaken for a wild beast (a problem he shared with Loopy de Loop, a wolf). The person most often doing the mistaking was Major Minor, a big game hunter with a big motive — if he doesn't bag Snagglepuss, he's liable to be thrown out of The Adventure Club.

Snagglepuss's voice was patterned after that of actor Bert Lahr (who is famous for playing another lion, the cowardly one in the 1939 production of The Wizard of Oz), and was provided by Daws Butler (an old hand at mimicking real actors for cartoon characters — his Peter Potamus sounded like Joe E. Brown, and his Wally Gator like Ed Wynn). Butler was so good at the Lahr imitation that when the character was used as a spokestoon for Kellogg Cereals, Lahr sued, and the commercials had to give Butler a credit line so nobody would think it was Lahr plugging the cereal.

The character's best-remembered catch-phrase ("Heavens to Murgatroyd") was also from Lahr, who used it in Meet the People (1944), where he played a supporting role under stars Dick Powell and Lucille Ball. His other catch-phrase ("Exit, stage left") was from a common stage direction, not so specific a source.

- - Don Markstein's toonopedia

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p.s. . . . Exeunt? Mooser contains multitudes?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:38 PM

@london Lad

Is it out of ignorance of Kafka or out of knowing him too well and not wanting to use well worn clichés that his name has never been mentioned?

The Kafka estate is extremely litigious and very determined. They have sued the Klux Klux Klan three times. Along with several pest-abatement firms, based on their advertising.

You don't want to mess around with those people.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:40 PM

Worth reading, I think ondelette is familiar w/ this guy (Jawad)

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Former_Gitmo_prosecutor_opens_fire_on_0113.html

or click sig for linky

and will somebody tell Barb it's "nth"?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:40 PM

@wbgonne

"Have a nice day."

Thanks, I will.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:41 PM

"So, for example, many of the homeless are on the streets because liberals thought it wrong to keep the mentally ill in live-in psychiatric facilities."

Oh yeah, let's hear it for the good old days of snake pits. Now, I'm not saying that deinstitutionalization was good for all the mentally ill -- but I've worked them and have a disproportionate number in my family. Most do not need to live in asylums. (Altho in point of fact, mental hospitals continue to exist for the most severe cases of mental illness.)

If the funding for community living in the least restrictive environment had followed deinstitutionalization adequately, there would no problem, except for those paranoid schizophrenics who will often refuse all help and who want to live on the streets.

Whatever the issues with the mentally ill in this nation, an excess of "empathy" ain't one of 'em. Guess if I know that, it makes me one of those hated libruls. Day by day, I become surprised at how someone who was long considered a right-leaning libertarian (me), is suddenly left-wing.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:42 PM

I remember Snagglepus

for sure. Loved the Hanna-Barbara cartoons.

Thanks for reminding me of him.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:43 PM

JFK and The Unspeakable:

Have any of you read this? Quite a potent examination of the situation that JFK faced when he came into office. It describes the transition he went through, from war supporter, to peace maker. It also describes the anger of the Military Industrial Complex, and how this lead to the conspiracy which resulted in his assassination. Has anyone forgotten that there are a lot of those cold warriors and conspirators still left in the establishment, and that they control from behind the scenes? Arlen Specter came up with the magic-bullet theory, facilitating the lone assassin theory of the Warren Commission. He is still in there, helping to massage the message to the public.

Obama is fighting against strong enemies. If he rocks the boat too much he will find himself eliminated. No wonder he is having to soften his tone. It really is like David vs. Goliath, but Goliath has the upper hand.

PS Bush was completely responsible for 911. Is this not obvious, given the great extent to which information is being covered up?. Where there appears to be a cover-up, it is usually because there is something being covered up.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:44 PM

shorter woebegone

Scratch that - tl, dr

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:45 PM

Kitt, Mike

No argument here. One might be wary, however, of summarizing their ineptitiude as "in favor of the Iraq war," not that I'm suggesting anyone here has taken that position.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:46 PM

@sysprog

Isn't there a stage direction is Shakespeare, "Exeunt, pursued by bear"? That's what I was thinking of, Shakespeare.

From me you get only high-cless comic references, natural! Ho-kay?

D*E*R*B*I*G M*O*O*S*E*R

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:49 PM

ondelette

Oui. Parce que l'enfer c'est les autres. N'est ce pas?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:52 PM

Bystander

"tl;dr = Too Long; Didn't Read"

Never heard that one before. Like it very much. A copy printed off in large caps is going on the wall in front of the keyboard. It'll hang there a warning, like the cane of a particularly severe head master.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:55 PM

and join our fa-mi-ly-er

D*E*R*B*I*G M*O*O*S*E*R

I can't be the only one who just sang the Derbig Mooser March, right?

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:56 PM

Debig

"The Kafka estate is extremely litigious and very determined. They have sued the Klux Klux Klan three times. Along with several pest-abatement firms, based on their advertising.

You don't want to mess around with those people."

But of course. I'm mixing with Americans. Might have guessed lawyers would be involved some how.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:59 PM

Thanks

for the link, bamage.

Tuesday, January 13, 2009 02:03 PM

@PDA

You mentioned it, not me, but I'll make this quick. The Official Mooser Memorial Theme Song is sung to the tune of "Yankee Doodle Dandy". The first verse goes like this:

"He's a big tremendous Mooser,

weighing up to fifteen hundred pounds!

With palmate antlers spreading up to

sev-en feet!

The largest member of the North American Dear family!"

I only mention this to encourage you, and everyone else, to get your own personal anthem or theme-song. You would be surprised how much it helps when things aren't going well, or, conversely, to celebrate victories, minor or even Pyrrhic tho they may be.

Never mind the asterisks, I shouldn't be Rostentatious!

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