Does the name Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, who is a legal resident of the United States, mean anything to you?

If not, then I would suggest your reading is as narrow as that you have accused others. Perhaps, narrower.

You could begin expanding your horizons here:

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/al_marri_v_pucciarelli/

then it is the job of an international court not U.S courts or the ACLU.

-- bernbart

I certainly HOPE so! So you're with us on Cheney as an unwilling guest at the Hague?

Although there is always, you know, the possibility of, maybe, correcting American lawbreaking, from, you know, within. By Americans.

I think the younger generation has gone else where because they don't have the ability to sit down and take the time to read a long newspaper or magazine articles,and read more than one opinion. They rather had bit and bites fed to them in their narrow sphere of interest.

-- bernbart

And these youngsters are unlike you how? If you get all your news from the NYT, then how do you wiggle your butt out of "narrow"?

What's the last article you read whose full implications you actually understood? Name it. Lecture us on it. You know, powwow- or sysprog-style.

Lay it on us.

I withdraw my question. Please address any part of ondelette's comment you can. I'm very interested in your perspective on it.

Well it maybe that but then again it may be something else. For one thing he really shouldn't need pressure from below and without in order that he does the right thing.

Problem is, Obama could be head and shoulders above Bush as a President, and that would get him just about to "okay". And Obama could be a magnificent President, and still not equal to solving certain problems we are talking about today.

Obama is not our progressive political shaman. He will not be, no matter how much we want him to be, the embodiment of all the moral and legal courage we've all lacked. Nor is it a role we should put on him. Usually, James Earl Jones gets that job.

Sure, compared to the Repubs on offer and Bush, the guy is a God, in terms of personal characteristics and accomplishment, but that's simply a sign of how impoverished our political ranks are, mensch-wise.

Lecture us on it. You know, powwow- or sysprog-style. Lay it on us.

I'm tough, and I've weathered all kinds of student presentations in my life, but I might not be able to keep it together for this one.

It's easy to see why we need to be critical of Barack Obama, at least for those who have developed the skill of imagining oneself in another person's shoes. Imagine yourself as Barack Obama, and wanting to do the right thing, but surrounded with scoundrels and idiots and afraid of what they can do--you have to be careful. You will have difficulty doing the right thing unless those with whom you actually agree make it painful to do otherwise.

(For example, what we saw with the FISA-gutting bill was likely, in part, Obama's realization that FISA-gutting was so important to the weak, corrupted scoundrels who run Congress that they would thwart any attempt to enforce FISA, regardless of popular pressure; I mainly wish that Obama had found a better way to acquiesce than to lie to the public about what was in the bill.)

The NYT did not support the war,

WHAT - A - FUCKING - WHOPPER!!!!

And around the time that the NYT wasn't supporting the war Judith Miller was to busy to contribute as she was in a rush to finish writing "Sex & the City" wasn't she?

Oh how I remember it well.

So, for example, many of the homeless are on the streets because liberals thought it wrong to keep the mentally ill in live-in psychiatric facilities.

BZZZZZ. Wrong answer. The correct answer "because the great hero of modern conservativism, Pres. Reagan, cut funding."

And I'll take empathy and all the unsupported conservative "boogeymen" it creates in the deluded mind of the "war is good" social darwinist faux Christian conservative crowd any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Why do you hate Jesus' message, life's work, and sacrifice. Prince of Peace ring a bell.

Empathy as vice. Classic conservative delusion.

I agree that humor would be a bad approach for protesting torture. I was mostly posting that for the person who thought that humor had no place at all.

I also think that vast numbers aren't always appropriate. Witness those individuals who were courageous enough to simply stand and wear hoods or orange prison outfits at events where Gonzales and (I think) Yoo were speaking. Or the lone man who stood before the tanks in Tienanmen Square.

It is difficult to know, ahead of time, what will resonate. All the more reason to encourage all types of expression, but to also have ano verall body for coordination.

Throw the whole bag of tricks at them and see which clown noses stick.

p.s. Baldie - we'll have to tone it down a bit. We've startled the resident ungulate and you know what can happen when something with hooves and horns that big gets excited.....

@Glenn Greenwald

In reading your piece, it reinforced something that has crossed my mind on several occasions since September 2008; that is, the tenor and tone of your writing relative to Barack Obama has been growing 'louder', strident even. This is not a criticism. I'm convinced you have become one of the leading bellwethers who will cut Obama no slack in focusing attention on his promises and performance in our interests. You are already aware of how many times and places you, and your opinions, have been given attribution in print and internet venues. Kudos for using your ability to be heard on behalf of all like-minded people who, like me, can only write letters to editors or other singular efforts.

Please take care and thank you.

I think the younger generation has gone else where because they don't have the ability to sit down and take the time to read a long newspaper or magazine articles,and read more than one opinion. They rather had bit and bites fed to them in their narrow sphere of interest.

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