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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
There is no doubt the propaganda machines of the islamofacist enjoy and benefit as well as promote this division.-- libertyaintfree
Heal thyself.
Just a thought but if these cases were transfered to regular Federal District Courts, wouldn't they also have different Prosecutors assigned and wouldn't that pretty much even the playing field somewhat? They wouldn't still have military prosecutors is what I'm either saying or asking.
I'm sorry if I didn't make this clear much earlier: there is no doubt in my mind that if the cases were transferred to federal court the DOJ, meaning the US Attorneys, would take over responsibility for prosecution from the military prosecutors.
That's my point. The AUSA prosecutors would be inheriting cases that are already almost untriable in federal court, because the investigations were largely conducted under the (faulty) premise that these were unlawful enemy combatants not covered by the Constitution. That's what I mean by "the rules getting changed 7 years in."
As far as I'm concerned KSM could walk tomorrow and he'd be a very minor danger.
What about the notion that a person who orchestrated the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians gets away with it? Does this not offend your sense of justice and fairness at all?
I've got to say at this point - three days into this thread - I'm fairly disturbed that, while I've heard from lots of people who apparently have no qualms with the idea that actors like KSM should get a free pass simply because of their mistreatment by the Bush administration (and there have been good arguments made supporting this view), I seem to be the only person here, or at least the only one vocal about it, who thinks that would be an absolutely outrageous miscarriage of justice.
And, never mind whether KSM would pose any kind of threat should he be released without being convicted and punished for 9/11, if Barack Obama was the one who made the call that resulted in his release, how do you suppose that will play out for him politically? One-term president? Impeached? Dems don't see the inside of the White House again for a generation?
Fortunately - for all of us - Obama has indicated in his remarks on Sunday that he is thinking all of this through and coming to the only sane conclusion available: the innocent detainees must be repatriated and the guilty ones must be convicted and punished, regardless of the Bush administration's malfeasance.
"to condemm the many people in uniform that are trying only to make things better for themselves and in the world."
As it happens I'm ex mil. Can't say I remember the, "I'd like to teach the world to sing..." course. Must have been down the NAAfI getting legless when they did that one.
Now, vomit, keyboard, anyone any idea how to separate them?
Fortunately - for all of us - Obama has indicated in his remarks on Sunday that he is thinking all of this through and coming to the only sane conclusion available: the innocent detainees must be repatriated and the guilty ones must be convicted and punished, regardless of the Bush administration's malfeasance.-- Jestaplero
I didn't hear Obama say that. Not in the words you've put into his mouth or any other words. What you've written there sounds more like, " Free ponies for everybody!" Easy to make pie-in-the-sky promises, ain't it?
My paternal grandmother had red hair and, as it's a recessive gene, you know what can happen. Actually, Prince Harry is very "common" looking with that unsubtle carroty version of the colour and that florid complexion but I'll leave him to history and the rumour-mongers who suggested that a certain Captain James Hewitt might be intimately involved.
As for the Irish, we were told that some tribe called the Tuatha da Danaan inhabited the island originally but I haven't met one recently. The Celts lived in large numbers in Austria as archaologists have discovered urns and other funerary goods with distinctive Celtic iconography. I hope we're not related to that Austrian, Mr. Schicklgruber/Hitler, but there's no doubt that we all have very bad boys in our past. As for Tzipi and Avital, Shakespeare knew about them years ago when he created those hellions Goneril and Regan in "King Lear", accepting that women can be as bloodthirsty as men.
Israel has disgraced itself in Gaza but the only people who have any power over Israel are American. I know that, you know that, the Israelis and the Palestinians know that. If Obama doesn't change tack the good ship USA will steer straight on to the rocks. There is a large Turkish Muslim community in Germany, an even larger Pakistani Muslim one in Britain, people of North African Muslim heritage in France, in the Netherlands the population has many Indonesians - the results of colonisation have come to full fruition. The population of my won country is 4 - 5 million and we are not a military power so all that we can do is attempt to call for justice and that, essentially, is what it's about. You mentioned Queen Elizabeth 1 who didn't achieve her aim when she had walled towns built in south-west Ireland for "the planters"; the natives just wouldn't go away and take a running jump into the Atlantic. Ulster was far easier for James 1 as there had been constant to-ing and fro-ing across that narrow stretch of water between Larne (Co. Antrim) and the Scottish Lowlands. The English policy was to divide and conquer and there's some of that in the friction between Hamas and Fatah. It's an age-old trick. The Reformation facilitated it in Ireland and the English did so well in Virginia (USA) in "planting" their own people there that they thought it would be a brilliant idea to do the same thing here in what George Bernard Shaw called "John Bull's Other Island".
In some ways I can be a very intense person and the only thing I can do for all those helpless people in the Gaza Ghetto is to put their case forward as best I can. I know what it is to be tarred with the same brush as the men/women of violence. I've been in London when the IRA were doing their damndest. My accent identified me. In fairness to the Brits, I got very little hostility, considering the circumstances, but just a few quite muted verbal jabs. The only real argument I got into, but it wasn't that bad and consisted of each of us trying to get the upper hand, was with a woman called Eilis from Belfast who was quite sympathetic to the IRA. The English girl in our company was mesmerised by the argument and actually said when we were both "on the ropes" that she'd found it very interesting as she had never understood what was going on in this island.
I am probably wasting my time here as I neglect things I should be doing but I sincerely hope that the U.S. will not be enveigled into another war, this time with Iran, as that seems to be on the agenda. The consequences don't bear thinking about. As for Obama, I've always had my doubts but as they say "The proof of the pudding is in the eating". As I see it, the problem with the American Presidency is that you have to be born into extreme wealth to have any chance OR be "in hock" to so many vested interests that your mind is no longer your own.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
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