saw that art too.

Don't know if you could call it a "coup" for Olmert.

US DID abstain-thus prettymuch giving the green though..

But yeah,I believe fromt eh start..this has been about elections and Zipi wanting to outBibi, out-Zionist him..

Now they've got the good-cop/bad-cop routine going on...(Livni called for shortening..)

Have heard they had already planned to wind it up by Inauguration as to not be a distraction...

Think Ohlmert was jsut vying for some cred..with his posturing...

I'm beginning to think he's nuts or egomaniac maybe?..

"Officials and analysts say Israel's top three political leaders disagree over how the remainder of the war should play out. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is said to favor an expansion, while Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak are believed to be more hesitant. Barak has aggressively pushed the talks in Egypt; Livni has said that Israel can soon declare victory and withdraw. The three run the country together and must achieve consensus before Israel can act.

Washington Post

This is precisely the sort of thing I was referring to in my response to wbgonne, particularly the Livni argument, according to Wapo, that "Israel can soon declare victory and withdraw."

No one will believe this. No one will recognize this as anything approximating reality. Yet, when that time comes (and it will), it'll be trumpeted all over the place as Gospel.

Christ.

I'm glad we're in agreemnet about helping the Palestianian people out of their insufferable living conditions and freeing them to basic human rights by exposing these conditions to what their everyday life is like.

VV-[Not who, I think's it's what are they NOT saying. I feel politicians intentional deception is to commit an otherwise unapproving act or some other matter to which the person being lied to would object.]

Yes, but--unless I'm completely mad (always a possibility)--"we" all know that's part of this sick, pathetic game. The only population with whom this would work is the uninformed; and perhaps that's the target group. All I know is that politicos need to be challenged on this front (by Greenwald, et. al.,) without cessation. Otherwise, on we go, deceiving and being deceived right and left, and left wondering "how the hell did that happen?!"

But is the second part really true? That Condi Rice wrote and submitted the resolution?

With Obama, it looks more and more like the same old corruption with a prettier face.

He won't investigate Bush Administration crimes, because it it would expose Democratic complicity.

He wants to find a way to use "compromised" evidence? What have they slipped into his water? What happens to our politicians when our foreign and domestic policy elites get their grips into them?

yes, but remember the reason for the lie....to commit an unapproving act. Thus, if the lie is repeated enough, even over the objections of some of the media, then support for the lie can be built.

This is what scares me about Obama administration repeating Bush lies about Iran. What is the unapproving act he is trying to now build support for?

Back when Bush/Cheney started talking about Iran and nuclear weapons, many mainstream media outlets decried the language and linked it to Iraq. And the the rhetoric softened.

I feel the Obama administration by stating what Glenn has pointed out is to test the waters so to speak about the country's mood on Iran. Does the Obama administration follow the Bush doctrine? I'm not sure if Obama was ever asked this question, but I would prefer that he come out strongly against it.

A perfectly gracious response. My bad if I've misunderstood what you've written- I am an amateur when it comes to South Asian history, but have an interest in and fondness for those cultures. As an aside, I wouldn't characterize my claims as strongly or sweepingly as you have, but we've probably covered all that needs to be as suggested in your summation, and I'm happy to leave it at that.

is vote for the lesser of the evils (usually way more than two). Obama WAS indeed a blank slate onto which idealistic democrats, ignorant people just entering the political process, and Caroline Kennedy painted their hopes and dreams. He is cautious and not particularly liberal.

I can stand that. My fear is that he either believes or feels he most follow through on his pledge to work with the Republicans. When you meet the GOP half way they call that the new starting point and demand a new half way point. Witness Obama's desire for a lot of Republicans to sign on to his stimulus package. He has thus apparently agreed to tax cuts that will help the economy little and to hold off on reversing the Bush tax cuts for the rich which will help the deficit. That's bad economic policy and bad politics because the Republicans will never be satisfied.

They want to turn him into a Republican. Remember he praised Reagan and called the GOP the party of ideas over the past 15-20 years without pointing out that they were bad ideas. I fear he will be used unless we keep up the pressure on him. Still he IS better than McCain-Palin. I don't regret voting for Hillary in the primary (who is, as Krugman noted, more liberal) and Obama in the general.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090112/usa/mideast_conflict_gaza_olmert_us_rice_lead

same art you had?

Yeah she was ready to vote with the other 14...

Bush made her look like fool (actually made him look like fool too)

Do you have anything more than just calling people names.

Do you have anything other that trite, rebutted crapola that was already old when the Rethuglicans were still in control of all branches of gummint?

These things have been beaten to death many years ago. You can just Google it; that's not very difficult. Before Glenn moved to Salon, his log was "Unclaimed Territory" (albeit not all the comments from those days have persisted).

As for your (plagiarised) list of all the Dems supposedly agreeing there were WoMD, that's been refuted on ThinkProgress, and other places. When Sh**ter offered it here, it was roundly thrashed (but that didn't stop a few other RW foamers from repeating it again). I trashed some jerk for posting that crapola on Mudcat even.

Really, we're getting sick of DittoBots living up to their name and just repeating RW "talking points".

Cheers,