"Ad Hominem Insult: The last resort for anyone with no facts to support him."

I'm sure plenty of people were thinking that about you.

After all, not that many people could be so stupid.

-- J. Pankratz Monday, January 12, 2009 06:11 PM

Ad Hominem Insult: The last resort for anyone with no facts to support him.

-- J. Pankratz Monday, January 12, 2009 06:35 PM

Self-pwnage achieved, in less than a half-hour.

We may have a new record.

What would be truly shocking is if anything factual was actually revealed in one of your posts.

But I did have facts. Read the well-documented post about Greenwald's sockpuppetry that I linked to.

After all, not that many people could be so stupid.

How many votes did George W. Bush receive in 2004?

How many did he get in 2000?

How many did Ronald Regan get in 1984?

No-one ever went broke betting against the stupidity of the American electorate.

Or J. Pankratz (be they person or sock-puppet).

The number of votes Reagan got in 1984 and Bush in 2004 says more about the Democrats than those particular presidents.

I mean, Walter Mondale and John Kerry!? Can you spell "Kick Me"?

Excellent point!

If you actually got through that whole absurd, turgid and pointless 'sockpuppet link', then you're dumber than you have previously implied through your comments.

And Wallaby is proved correct by having his post deleted!!

Too funny!

Or is that Glenn?

Yes, we are all Glenn!!!

The kind of pea-brain that would believe that thousands of posts could be the work of one man, deserves the affections of Wallaby.

Really.

re: Israeli Arabs

At least they're citizens... sort of... in a manner of speaking. What would they be in Saudi? Subjects.

See?

Why am I not surprised at this latest effort to cordon the Arabs in Israel?

Still, they were able to march and wave Palestinian flags the other day without getting shot down. Democracy. Ain't it grand?

I understand there are only a limited number of these left.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/01/03/redstate-in-2009/

And, for sure, your comments suggest you really, really want one.

You just prove Wallaby's deleted point: Everyone defends Greenwald the person, not his "logic."

You're all sycophants if no GG sockpuppets.

Too funny!

the police massacre of 13 protesting "Israeli" Arabs in 2000. No officers were indicted.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3499396,00.html

"You just prove Wallaby's deleted point: Everyone defends Greenwald the person, not his "logic."

You're all sycophants if no GG sockpuppets.

Too funny!"

All I know about you and Greenwald are what you write here. Your capacity for logic, tone, knowledge base and world view. That's all anyone knows here. If you're looking for an answer for why you are universally reviled and heckled here, while people admire and respect Greenwald, look no further.

It might also be a lesson worth applying in your own personal life; again, I don't know you, but I can guess that yours is a sad, lonely existence, caused by an absurdly contentious and assinine personality which most people rightly find off-putting.

Well, its never too late to change, friend.

The number of votes Reagan got in 1984 and Bush in 2004 says more about the Democrats than those particular presidents.

Wait here while I fetch my steel-toed doc martins.

I mean, Walter Mondale and John Kerry!? Can you spell "Kick Me"?

@omooex

You just prove Wallaby's deleted point: Everyone defends Greenwald the person, not his "logic."

You're all sycophants if no GG sockpuppets.

Too funny!

-- J. Pankratz

Not true. Many people defend some of his points. Some defend all of his points regardless, and many object to every one of his points. I'd say there is quite the diverse range of attitudes and input into his site.

I agree and disagree with many of his points. I thinks its fairly funny that anyone agreeing with a certain point of view is somehow mocked by another side who is so convinced of their own superiority and rightness of their argument.

This type of rigid thinking never ceases to amaze me.

You just prove Wallaby's deleted point: Everyone defends Greenwald the person, not his "logic."

That's funny. You're the only person talking about "Greenwald the person." The rest of us are talking about the subject of the post.

I have no idea if the "sockpuppet" thing - which someone comes on and links to about once a month - is true or not. Frankly, I don't care if it's true or not, or if Omooex is Palestinian/Colombian or not, or if you are a paid troll or not. This is the Internet I judge people on the quality (or lack thereof) of their arguments, not some assertions about who they are IRL.

So, is this all you've got?

FISA is different. Frankly, that has bothered me, too. There are 3 possibilities. He was 1) making a purely political calculation, which is possible since Obama seems to me as astute a politician as Bill Clinton; 2) he learned somethings in the course of his briefings that made him change his mind; or 3) a combination of the two. I don't know and I will wait to see how things shake out but, yes, this does trouble me. For now, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As to Iran, I just don't see how Obama has done anything a president would not be expected to do, nor do I find his recent comment much different from what he's said in the past. I was first attracted to Obama by what I saw as an intelligent realism in his foreign policy. That may not be what you want, but as someone who followed this aspect of Obama pretty closely, his statements regarding Iraq are eminently sensible and perfectly consistent with the views he expressed during the campaign. The reason for his perceived lack of an explanation is that I'm sure he doesn't see anything to explain, notwithstanding Glenn's post.

Same for GITMO. He's going to close it. It will not be a simple matter. There are some very bad people there who nobody in the world wants, including us. What do we do with them? Maybe we should try them in our courts -- which is what we should have done 5 years ago -- but is that the correct thing and where do they go in the meantime? It's a mess and it will take time to sort out. It is quite possible that some of these considerations are new to Obama now that he's been getting the Presidential Daily Briefings, etc. More likely, however, is that Obama simply doesn't see his position as much different than during the campaign. Nor do I.

In fact, in general I would say there is a remarkable congruity between Obama's campaign positions and actions/statements and actions as president-elect; again, notwithstanding the pontificating of certain pontificators.

Whether Obama has modified his rhetoric as he gets closer to the presidency is a matter, perhaps, of taste. I, for one, would very much welcome a president who appreciates the weight of his office and the gravity of our situation.

Obama will be sworn in in 8 days and no doubt he'll do lots of things I don't like, as I am quite persnickety, though maybe not on some of the same matters as you. But Obama brings a fresh start to a nation and a world that is desperately in need of that. Desperately in need. That doesn't make him perfect or a god, but the fact is that Obama will be the president during the Great American Restoration, if it is to come at all. He will be the president if the United States can recover from the near-fatal brew of anti-government nihilism, free-market capitalist excess, military adventurism, authoritarian tyranny over personal freedom, and astounding incompetence that has been the Bush Administration. And Obama has to do this in the face of the worst world economy since the Great Depression, when a virulent strain of militant Islam has grown fat on every disastrous move of the Bush presidency, the world is as inflamed as any time in history and with a prevalence of terrible weapons never known before.

I simply don't see the point in parsing Obama's words like prior inconsistent statements on cross-examination. Especially since the criticism now lodged are not only petty, but wrongheaded on the substance. There are huge challenges facing Obama and enormous problems confronting this nation and the world at large. We'll know soon enough whether Obama gets the job done and that is what matters. I wish him luck for his sake, but mostly for mine and ours.

Thanks for listening. (If you did.)

Over and out.