There has been much good that has rarely been reported about our presence in Iraq. We have done much good,maybe not enough in many eyes . There is no doubt thier future is better today than it was regardless of how we went there.This cannot but pay dividends in the future relationships with Iraqis regardless of the lack of a Kumbaya moment that would have satisfied you.

And people actually question the existence of parallel universes?

What else would you do all day without windmills against which to tilt?

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/12/iran/permalink/d4537291afcffa72765f7782d036edfd.html

libaintfrequentlycoherent - man, that was CLASSIC!

Unequivocal support from the piece of shit that argues it's OK to torture Arabs to death.

Do tell, have you a quote from me about that?

FOAD, shartstain22%.

And you're pleading to have people banned?
Do you kiss your mommy with that mouth? Heh.

Surprise J! Welcome to the reality of people living in a fantasy land. Abstract principle is more important than any possible consequences of following that principle.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that led to the tragedy of Willie Horton.

I wouldn't call the torture endured by the many innocent people held by the Bush administration "abstract" - tell Maher Arar or Jose Padilla about how abstract their suffering is.

Then we can discuss the abstract ways of governments that abandoned habeas corpus and prohibitions on torture like Augusto Pinochet (a hero of yours I expect because he tortured only left wing people) and abstract our ways into mass atrocity.

So, the real question is, "What's the justification for Glenn Greenwald asking 'What's the justification...'?

You should look up the words "justification" and "motivation" in the dictionary in order to figure out what the difference is.

If you didn't believe the Iraq NIE, why should you believe this one? They're intelligence gold all of a sudden? Heh.

-- shooter242

You miss the point entirely.

The "Commander In Chief" claimed to believe the intel on Iraq to the point where invasion was an immediate necessity.

Now he claims not to believe the intel on Iran to the point where an invasion will be necessary ... real soon now.

It is perfectly sensible to ask HIM (and, by extension, Obama) WHY these two pieces of intel are being received differently?

(Of course, anyone with a pulse knows why, but it is still worth asking, if only to educate the ignorant)

Good Morning! Thanks for the poem.

Please contact Jebbie on the WOG...he has the information.

He's pointed out a serious flaw in the argument against a hard line on Iran, exposing unwarranted bias on the part of lefty liberals hunched over their keyboards, sipping coffee, dressed in turtleneck sweaters and jackets with elbow patches.

Here's an analogy for you dimwits: We praise Washington, Madison, Lincoln, and Eisenhower---but we hate Bush and Cheney. WHY???

If we can't be consistent, people, we should just hang it up and let Scooter take over. He's a smart one.

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/08/nuremberg/permalink/8222a9f91c1e051fff839b5f9f66be27.html

Dude, if you're for real then you are an idiot. But I think its just as likely that you are a Republican troll trying to stir up racial controversy where it is obvious that none exists.

You apparently think that torture is OK as long as the situation is sufficiently grave.

Given that humans are fallible creatures prone to error I ask you (and anyone else who supports torture in any instance) the following question:

Would you still support torture if the person you most love in the world were to be mistakenly subjected to torture to extract information THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE? Since your loved one does not have any useful information, and indeed since they don't even know enough to make up a credible lie, then the torture would not stop, ever.

A lifetime of ultimate agony for your loved one in exchange for the legal ability to torture those whom you so greatly fear, which would you choose?

You may think this a farfetched scenario but I submit that if enough people are subjected to torture it will inevitably come to pass for some person's loved one.

What if it were your loved one?

A grave danger exists if we follow the rule of law, a relatively painless one time exception can be made that will eliminate the grave danger as long as you can accept doing one illegal thing in exceptional cases, we should do whatever we have to do to eliminate danger, because that is in the best interests of the public security.

Note that it would probably be legal to release Khalid Sheikh Muhammad in Afghanistan or FATA, and then blow him up with a predator drone.

Thinking about Iran's acquisition of nuclear armament capability in terms of achieving some kind of Pareto improvement is really, really disorienting.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

Well, that's pretty clear: as long as you're aiming at something, it doesn't matter what you hit.

Man, it's good to see the forces of Right Thinking on a roll on this blog. Welcome, brother.

There has been much good that has rarely been reported about our presence in Iraq. We have done much good,maybe not enough in many eyes . There is no doubt thier future is better today than it was regardless of how we went there.This cannot but pay dividends in the future relationships with Iraqis regardless of the lack of a Kumbaya moment that would have satisfied you.

We CAN do better. We WILL do better. I believe that the American invasion of Iran will go much, MUCH better than our invasion of Iraq. First, Rumsfeld is gone, and we have smart people like Petraeus who can absorb the many "lessons learned." Second, we're well rid of that incompetent Napoleon, Georg W Bush. Generalissimo Obama is one crafty dude. He'll get it done. Trust me.

The rush to condemm Obama because he just isn't laying down the sword to the extremist is a curiosity,especially with regards to security.I question the motivation.I question the expressed "expertise"of people who have never held a security clearence but may be blinded by thier vision of an ideal world.I do this for the sake of my children and grandchidren.I commend Mr Obama for approaching this with prudent caution.I keep an eye on those who are so quick to attempt to sway public opinion and I wonder what the motivation is to rush .We should be celebrating this time and allowing President Obama the chance to lead rather than undermining him before he is ever sworn in.This is the right thing to do in my heart.I wonder why more don't feel the same way.

EXACTLY. All citizens should demonstrate proper attachment to the person of the monarch and his puppy, and due respect to the sequence of succession. When your emperor speaks, heed his call. Let the preemptive sword of vengeance strike at the enemies of the state, lest the people deny their shepherds and go astray in the deceptively green fields of direct diplomacy. WHY don't people get this?