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Obama v. the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran

Last year, the NIE famously concluded with "high confidence" that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Why did Obama say yesterday that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons?

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  • Tuesday, January 13, 2009 01:43 AM

    Government v. People

    My argument is with the Israeli system of government, not with Israelis. Just as arguments made here about the majority of Americans being idiots are not usually taken seriously, so goes the arguments that Steele inserts in his analysis. -- omooex

    Wrong several times on that one, you are. Of course, these may just be small quibbles.

    I would think that you would be against the actions of the government of Israel, not the "system of government" which looks, to outsiders at least, to be a parliamentary democracy of some type. Most here are in favor of Democracies, and admit that the USA form (even if not exactly a democracy) is not necessarily the best form. In short, many argue that parliamentary democracies have advantages over the USA system. Your augments have tended to take issue with the actions of the government of Israel in the past, and I would think that is what you really mean.

    If that is so, then that brings up a question. To what extent do Israelis living in Israel share in complicity with the government that they apparently control? The proprietor of "Desert Peace" is an American born Jew living in Israel and he rails against the actions of the government on a near daily basis: and, he highlights that most in Israel are supportive of the governments actions. If so, do "the people" share in the blame?

    Then, there is a semi-separate issue. Many "settlers" came from around the world simply to steal land. Are they to be judged for their motivation at all?

    Then you say that calling the majority of Americans idiots is not taken seriously here at UT, even as a few regulars did so on this thread. It is a question that bedevils democracy: if the government continues to do stupid things over and over --- are "the people" exempt from being labeled stupid. (or whatever word one prefers)

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