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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Zoltan is obviously a lefty Jew-hater trying to make righties, Zionists, and Jews in general look like drooling, raving, bloodthirsty imbeciles. If he weren't so ham-fisted he might get somewhere, but the sheer over-the-top blithering idiocy of his act renders his attempt a failure. A word of advice Z-man--back it off a bit and you might get somewhere-- even full-on FOXNews dittoheads aren't that ridiculous. If you want your act to expose them for the fools they are, give them at least a semblance of sanity when you play them.
Winsmith on the other hand, actually seems to think he's accomplishing something here. The reality is that winsmith has singlehandedly in the last couple weeks done more to lay bare the moral and logical absurdity of defenders of Israeli actions in the ME than most of us could have accomplished, well, ever. His hilariously strained efforts to maintain even a semblance of cool, aloof objectivity, when he breaks down into stark raving babble at the slightest exposure of his argumenst to reason, has made him an embarrassment to bullshitters everywhere. I'm surprised they haven't yanked him.
"You dolt, at least Canadians have a national anthem that says nothing about war or violence."
No, but your anthem ”Je Suis Le Lumberjack” does mention men who like to wear woman’s clothing and hang around in bars. And it is this one mildly interesting fact that stops Canada being considered the most boring country in the world rather than Belgium.
..Will come home to roost.
Maybe Reverend Wright won't sound so crazy the next time our support for those bloodthirsty Zionists blows up, literally, in our faces.
Watch out for this oo fellow. He stalks Jews
OK, but there's also the collateral damage; everyone who reads that tripe about "artificial constructs" will be irreparably damaged.
a nation that kills 50 people for every one of its own that is killed
What's wrong with that??? It's not Israel's fault we're better armed than the terrorist shitstains who are attacking us. If they want to get better numerical results, they should attack Cost Rica.
I note your post focuses exclusively on numbers, as if there was some kind of moral calculus that fits in nicely with number theory; a morally sick idea if there ever was one.
IMO, "the rockets" is an erroneous frame for debate.
Well, karr, having opinions on rockets when you're thousands of miles away from where they land is BULLSHIT.
I'm ashamed to say I hadn't spent any time in Sderot until yesterday, when I decided to take a road trip there with a friend. We parked outside a shopping mall, and almost immediately there was an alarm and suddenly dozens of people, men, women, children, some very old folks, started running, walking, and otherwise hustling into a supermarket, where we moved away from the entrance (and large plate glass windows). Then we waited. Although it turned out to be a false alarm, it brought home to me what these people have been living with for eight years. And it sucks.
I supported the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. I still do. And I remember saying to opponents of the withdrawal what Ariel Sharon and others said then: "If the terrorists continue their attacks on Israel after we've withdrawn and given them all they need to set up a homeland, we'll kick the shit out of them." But you know what? Nobody followed through on that promise.
I realize now what a mistake it was to not do exactly what we're doing now, eight years ago. Maybe the operation wouldn't have had to go on as long, but I guess that's what happens when you project weakness over time to a terrorist bully. To break them from their habits, you've got to really lay into them, or kill them all, which unfortunately doesn't seem possible.
A better way to stop illegal Hamas rockets is to negotiate peace as Israel has done with others (Jordon, Egypt). Is this -- negotiated peace -- really want the Israeli government wants?
You point out Israel's peace treaty with Egypt & Jordan, and I'll point out Israel's recent peace negotiations with Syria and the Palestinian Authority.
Why do you hide the fact that Hamas is ideologically against negotiations with Israel, and why do you hide the fact that Hamas wants to destroy Israel?
Just to sharpen the point, why aren't you also asking, "Is this -- negotiated peace -- really what Hamas wants?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/world/middleeast/10gaza.html
It's getting hard to believe the shelling wasn't intentional. Originally, I thought they had struck the row houses from the air or in a single strike.
At about 6 a.m. on Monday morning, Ahmed said, tanks started demolishing a wall of the house where the extended clan was sheltered. His father moved toward the door, presumably to warn the soldiers that civilians were inside, but the troops started shooting, he said.
The shooting then stopped, and the soldiers appeared to withdraw. But a short time later, three rockets and several shells hit the building and tore apart the rooms where his family was gathered.
Ahmed said he and his brother Yaqoub pulled blankets over their relatives and managed to shut the doors in an attempt to hide from the tanks and soldiers outside. Everyone was crying, he recalled, and he did not immediately realize the scope of the damage.
Also note in the same article, the NYTimes is not any longer saying that militants fired from the U.N. school.
The Israeli military has not said whether the strike on the house in Zeitoun was intentional or a mistake. In the case of the United Nations school, Israel has said that Hamas militants were firing mortars from a location near the school.
(my emphasis)
The Red Cross was only allowed to remove survivors and bodies at the row house during the 3 hour humanitarian windows arranged days later:
Antoine Grand, the head of Red Cross operations in the Gaza Strip, said in a telephone interview on Thursday that the first rescue team on Wednesday had to leave the dead and take out only the wounded, “horrible as that seems,” because they had only limited time and only four ambulances.
“We had no other choice,” Mr. Grand said.
He added that the ambulances had to stop on one side of an earth mound put up by the military. The team had to walk a mile to the houses and bring back the wounded in a donkey cart.
On Thursday, they went back to the same area and brought out another 103 survivors, three of them wounded.
I don't think anything I have said about these two incidents here has been at all far from what has emerged. Nor anything said by UNRWA or ICRC has, nor by WaPo.
I also don't think my comment about row houses and boxcars was out of line, either. Maybe next time I'll say row houses and shipping containers, in reference to the shipping containers used in Mazar-e-Sharif that the Americans fired rounds into after packing with prisoners, and that General Dostum packed with prisoners, left them to starve and then buried alive.
Herding civilians or hors de combat prisoners into confined places and shooting at them and then leaving them to die of thirst and trauma isn't any different whether they are Jews being herded into boxcars, Afghans and Pakistanis into shipping containers, or Palestinians into row houses.
If I'm a raving or subconscious or latent or hiding anti-semite, or giving in to my Gentile genetic urges, or being a Goebbels, by calling these two incidents at the UNRWA school and most especially at those row houses war crimes, then so be it. The idea that there's some justification for what happened at the row houses in terms of 1000 years of persecution history or rockets fired into Israel by Hamas, or whisperings or incantations of the word 'terrorist', is patently ludicrous.
The Geneva Conventions apply, and the 1st and 4th say you have to allow tending to the sick and wounded or tend them yourself, with no exceptions. The 4th says you have to protect civilians. Over 100 people herded into that house by Israeli troops. And then shelled, shot at, and rocketed, and then left to starve, die of thirst, or bleed to death or die of shock and untreated trauma. Men, women, children.
And to those who dismiss the UNRWA or UNWFP or UNHCHR or UNHCR, or the ICRC, you just aren't credible. Please try to stop this thing. We can discuss what kind of evil person you think I am another time, when the horror is over and people aren't dying.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
