You keep asking me to "prove" anti-Semitism, and then crow and beat your chest like you've scored a touchdown or something when I don't cite specifics to your standards. I'll try one last time, although it's pretty obvious you're not interested in dialogue, just shouting, proclaiming yourself the "Winner" and then running home before mommy gets upset.

Yeah, that sounds like PDA.

He's gone, I think, so let me fill in for him:

You lose, you win nothing, good day to you, sir!

Duty done.

I've been watching David Shuster's reporting on this Gaza story for a while, and he is clearly a zionist shill. I NEVER would have guessed. He relentlessly stamps out any criticism by talking over people and cutting them off when it comes to Israel.

Here's a clip you should watch from last night that show Pat Buchanan handing him and another Israel propagandist their asses:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28566049#28566049

I wrote a post last night commenting on this:

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/08/israel/permalink/d44f5eb5743cf205ad8fe2ca892d5552.html

Jews don't get a free pass. Sorry.

such a comment harks back to pernicious stereotype that Jews are stingy and want things for free. disgusting.

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Utter bullshit.

Yours is the excuse of the racist looking to justify his racism by claiming "facts."

"Look, I'm just saying, lots of black people are on welfare, and lots of black women are overweight and pulling out foodstamps at the supermarket, so what, I can't point that out?"

Yours is the excuse of the Neo-Con. The right winger who claims they're speaking "truth" rather than polite "political correctness." I've heard it all before from Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, who claim a vast "political correctness" that silences their honest and noble words.

Same shit, different wing.

Yes, you do need to be aware of global narratives, because often what you think you "realized" on your own was a long dormant narrative in society you've picked up. This is how insidious bigotry works.

Bigots never think they're biased. They always think they got there on their own and are just "observing."

Is Joe Lieberman a chickenhawk fraud? Absolutely. Is the fact Joe Lieberman Jewish important? Only if you want it to be.

And if you want it to be, it's because you want to feed the narrative of Jews more loyal to Israel than to America.

So you skip over Barbara Boxer and Russ Feingold and Carl Levin and Bernie Sanders and Al Franken and you find...

Joe Lieberman.

And your anti-Semitism is confirmed in the "fact" that Joe Lieberman is a duplicitious war mongering clown. And your Jew hatred has found its anecdote to self-justify.

Eriposte at The Left Coaster has a post up which emphasizes how the Marines are trained to fight counterinsurgencies. The section of the Marine Counterinsurgency Field Manual he presents is called “Proportionality and Discrimination”. Here’s the link:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/013689.php

No, didn't forget about the demonstrations against the Iraq attack, me and my wife marched down to the American Embassy here in Ottawa a few times. The demos were quite big by Ottawa standards.. maybe 15,000 people, and yes, on the other hand the demos on the Gaza Massacre were a fraction of the size.

I agree with you about Hamas, we (as in the west) bear very little responsibility for their actions. Israel on the other hand is entirely our own little Golem, and in a very large sense we are as culpable as them.

I was thinking out loud, and wanted some feedback, which I got, thanks! You are right I was thinking more of the press coverage, not what actually happened in the streets, by the people, all over the world.

In my view, I think that the outrage against Israel on this has nothing, zero to do with antisemitism, it's about the slaughter. Just the slaughter. Even a child can see it's uncalled for, unfair, barbaric and bestial.

We have Glennnnnnn who is a Jew but won't admit it because his god is Noam Chomsky and not the G@d of all of us who will either save or destroy us.

Then we have Carsick who has been fed some message she doesn't understand, but because she is in some kinda anti Jew sect, she just constantly repeats it, like some kind of not very smart parrot.

Carsick, what would you do if, after half of your people were slaughtered, you were allowed to live in a small slice of land smaller than New Jersey with your fellow survivors, and that small slice of land, where your ancestors have lived for centuries upon centuries, were assaulted over and over again, and, if you won that land with the blood of your father and uncles and children, including some high ground, defending your lives, some twit or nasty bith like you demanded some pull back to indefensible positions which you seem to demand? Hello?

So, I don't take your stoopid and obviously programatic question seriously, if you don't mind. Hopefully you are some 14 year old in your racist parents' basement. I really hope you are not an adult. If you are, I would love to get into a ring with you too, dear. I would prefer to die at your hands than listen to any more of your Jew hating shit, dear.

And, that is the way Israelis feel at this time. They are very tired of getting killed and they do not care what you bastards and bitches may think. They will not agree to trusting people who are intent on killing them. They would rather die fighting.

OK Dershbag?

I feel your pain. You fear death. You don't mind that your body leaves this earth, however. You worry that when you go, the memory will fade. The memory will disappear. You are the holder of the history. Never Forget. Your fear is that your own will not carry the history. Your offspring, you feel, have left you. They view the world differently. Their concerns are materialistic. They've lost the history and they won't pass it on. They won't remember. That is your fear. It is a fear so devastating that you destroy families. You separate husband from wife, daughter from father, children from parents. The cost cannot be too high. You sacrifice. You sacrifice all that you hold dear, because ultimately, remembering is even more important that family.

Somewhere along the way, Zoltan, you lost perspective. Your wires crossed. There is no history without family. Never again means never again for any people, not just Jews.