Comments on this board have claimed Jews exploit "anti-Semitism"

Man, you are something. Comments on this board have claimed Zionists exploit "anti-semitism"!

http://peoplesgeography.com/2008/03/24/sands-the-invention-of-the-diaspora/ or click link

This is just an interview of him as a book of his came out, but it gives an outline of his work. If you get time, please read it and let me know what you think.

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/

Yeah Winsmith, you picked a doozy there. Proves everything you say, yes, sir. That's some high-cless anti-semitism there, all right.

point taken.

I did say "mostly harmless" but i thought the point worth making as a pre-emptive measure, given the sensitivities on display.

Much easier for WinSmith to hold the accusation at the generic level where it can neither be proven or disproven.

Well said. That's exactly why I put so much effort into getting WinSmith to make a specific charge against a specific comment. He wouldn't do so, claiming we are "pre-judged not to hear" his conclusive evidence, and then falsely claiming that he had already posted his proof (http://tinyurl.com/8tojq6). Omooex, Jebbie and me went through his letters (http://tinyurl.com/8sdrfl) with a fine-toothed comb, revealing this to be a lie.

It's a constant fascination of mine how this dynamic works. I have no doubt that WinSmith is quite intelligent and sincerely believed he is in the right... I just don't know how he deals in his mind with the impossibility of providing a conclusive proof of what he believes to be true.

It would really frost my balls to be in that position.

I'm off to begin my weekend, so cheers to all...

Also point taken here.

May you have warm balls.

:-)

Well, for starters, not denying that those who raise the specter of anti-Semitism might have a point. All the screaming that anti-Semitism is simply a "tool of silencing" betrays deep ignorance and wilful denial.

For the umpteenth time, what the hell are you talking about? The issue here--remember?--is about this (from Greenwald's post):

As a result, much of the world is urging an end to the war and acting to forge a cease-fire -- except the United States. Here, blind and unequivocal support for the Israeli attack is actually increasing almost as fast as the Palestinian body count piles up.

Stop, stop, stop--oh, please, for the love of God--stop trying to turn this into an anti-semitic diatribe. The issue at hand is Israel's ruthless bombardment of Gaza, which dovetails not-so-nicely with their policy of economic strangulation of these people.

The only anti-semitism I've seen around here is from you and your imaginary ooh! ghosteses.

Personally, I'm about to join an Amish community just to get away from guys like you.

Winsmith is completely misconstruing the intent and content of the Jewish Tribal Review. The site is in no way anti-semitic.

If "Jewish Tribal Review" is anti-semitic... well, lemme put it like this: Winsmith seems to feel that any discussion at all of Jews or Judaism, not approved by him, is anti-semitic.

He also makes the mistake of mistaking exposure of anti-semitism for the real thing, cause when he skims it he sees some suspect phrases.

Winsmith, I don't want to shock your delicate sensibilities, but people will talk about Jews and Judaism.

Compassion is the finest weapon and best defense.
If you would establish harmony,.
Compassion must surround you like a fortress.

Therefore,.
A good soldier does not inspire fear;.
A good fighter does not display aggression;.
A good conqueror does not engage in battle;.
A good leader does not exercise authority.

This is the value of unimportance;.
This is how to win the cooperation of others;.
This to how to build the same harmony that is in nature.

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I guess the saying of ancient Chinese philosophers may have lost a little punch these days, but it may interest a few here as the weekend begins.

Bravo! The stunning imbecility of cheering on Israel's murderous attacks on Gaza is that the US thereby works against Israel's own true best interests. I recommend Philip Stephens' excellent analysis of this paradox in today's Financial Times. Israel can "win" a tactical "victory" in Gaza but is guaranteed to suffer a strategic defeat.

Maybe we can fix them up with each other.

I have a friend who runs a Jewish Day School. She was born in a DP camp in Germany in 1945. Some of her family went to Israel. Some went here. Some went to Argentina. One of her cousins died in Argentina when the Jewish center in Buenas Aires was bombed. Rachel works night and day to maintain this wonderful school whose students master everything from Talmud to Torah to Calculus. Graduates have gone on to great universities like U of Chicago, Princeton, Northwestern and thrived. Her African American Alderman told her, "you people are never happy," in response to Rachel's pleas to please help with approvals on a new school building. She is one of the strongest people I know and she was crying when she told me this.

Context counts. Why should any gentile care about what is going on over there, and why are so many of you so quick to denounce Israel?

Is it because you are anti-semites?

Is it because you are leftists who see colonialists and oppressors wherever there is human suffering?

All you Zionists want it both ways. Look, do you remember what was said about Iraq prior to launching the War on Iraq. Not only were scurrilous lies told about its people, but complete misstatements of fact were used to achieve the end desired, starting a war, right? Did we do that because the Iraqis are Moslems? NO! We did it because Iraq was a country which our country wanted to go to war with, and propaganda is part of ginning up a war. Right? Well, Israel is a country, just like other countries. We can't criticise Israel for doing the same things as other countries, making necessary war, dealing with the press, spying, having ambassadors, everything.

Well, sorry pal, you can't criticise other countries (let alone people who are occupied by Israel) for doing whatever they feel they need to to deal with Israel, right? Wouldn't Israel be better of dealing with the reality of nationhood, instead of squealing always for an impossible state of affairs, where no one says anything bad about Israel or its inhabitants? You sure as hell have no hesitation, none, when it comes to laying the vitriol on everyone else pal.

And as far as people criticising your religion, and mine, in an attempt to hurt Israel, well, you should have decided how much you wanted your religion held hostage to a state.

Usually all religions have to answer for is financial shenanigans or sex scandals. They don't have to sit around trying use the Torah to justify murder.

When people criticise Russia, they criticise the Russians. When people criticise Israel, they criticise Jews. There's no way around it. Exactly what do you expect us to do about it.