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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:00 AM

Both parties cheerlead still more loudly for Israel's war

As the body count in Gaza piles up, the U.S. Congress acts overwhelmingly to insinuate itself into the war with blind support for Israel.

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Friday, January 9, 2009 09:46 AM

Lotus Feet

No one expects you to make sense, but there is something really contradictory about your posts. I mean much more contradictory than the average for your posts.

You said:

"I grew up in a household of German Jews, who really did not like Israel."

Then you said:

"I think there is really something fishy about the leftist Jews like Glenn"

Did you think there was something fishy about your entire family as well? I don't recall ever reading anything from Glenn, claiming he did not "like Israel" (whatever that means. How can you not like an entire country? Perhaps your family's bigotry is at fault for shaping your odd views).

But if having anti-Israeli views is the issue here it seems that you should spend more time trying to convince your family--who actually have the problems you are complaining about here--than Glenn, who doesn't seem to. You know what the Republicans say about personal responsibility. Heal they family first, their irrational and baseless hatred of Israel seems like a far greater danger to the state than Glenn Greenwald.

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:47 AM

It worked with South Africa, why not with Israel?

Want to End the Violence in Gaza? Boycott Israel.

By Naomi Klein, The Nation. Posted on AlterNet January 9, 2009 (see sig)

To end the bloody occupation, Israel should become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to South Africa's apartheid.

It's time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa.

In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on "people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era." The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions -- BDS for short -- was born.

Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause, and talk of cease-fires is doing little to slow the momentum. Support is even emerging among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors stationed in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the antiapartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves.… This international backing must stop."

Yet even in the face of these clear calls, many of us still can't go there. The reasons are complex, emotional and understandable. And they simply aren't good enough. Economic sanctions are the most effective tools in the nonviolent arsenal. Surrendering them verges on active complicity. Here are the top four objections to the BDS strategy, followed by counterarguments.

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http://www.alternet.org/audits/118332/want_to_end_the_violence_in_gaza_boycott_israel./?page=entire

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:49 AM

@Jebbie's and Canuckstan Bob's O/T

I'm running XP (up to date) and Firefox 3.0.5 and not having Bob's problems. I don't see any buttons in lower left corners for music, but I'm getting no text problems.

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:49 AM

Mr. Greenwald,

You have to be congratulated on your persistence in pointing out the hypocrisy of our rulers, not to mention the media and their lackeys. Here is a recent quote from you that I was most impressed with.

..."I tend, in general, to believe that more questioning of things -- including, perhaps especially, the most sacred pieties -- is better than less."

Since 'The Official Story' of 911 is perhaps the most sacred myth that is in existence today, it is nice to know that you support people questioning it.

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:50 AM

@arne (chernobyl and the fall of the Soviet Union)

Precisely, and I think we can identify a pattern here, can we not? Whether it's the Titanic, the Versailles Treaty, the Armenian housing estates, the Chernobyl plant, the global financial system or US policy in Iraq and the Middle East, shoddy workmanship has a tendency to come back and bite you.

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:50 AM

Palestra, in good company

"There are at least 10 posters who have argued that Israel is illegitimate and using Hitlerian or Apartheid tactics to accomplish either ethnic cleansing or genocide."...Palestra

"I have here the names of 57 known communists"...Guess Who

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:51 AM

Lotus Feet wrote:

I think there is really something fishy about the leftist Jews like Glennnn, who always side with Israel's sworn enemies,

But it couldn't be that some get really incensed when they see brazen injustice against an entire people due to their ethnicity/religion? It couldn't be that we have to witness our own tax dollars financing it, and our own MSM covering it up with zionist propaganda?

NOOOOOOOO!!! It must be anti-semitism; using the ole 'anti-semite canard' are you? How many ways can you nut jobs recast your anti-semitism argument using a different angle.

When any group ethnically cleanses, steals land, kills at every opportunity, and consistently uses collective punishment - it is guaranteed to upset people. Too bad not everyone is a 'Joe Plumber' whom your shills in the media can continue to mislead. Otherwise, your 'final solution' against the Palestinians would receive absolutely no criticism, whatsoever.

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:51 AM

UsedtobeKristin

What is it about the discussion of Israel that makes people completely unable to be rational?

I think this blog entry, by NYU Student -- who keeps showing up here to complain about my writing about Israel and torture -- answers your question quite well. i'd love to know how many people here who defend Israel's attack on Gaza agree with what he wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/7hgmlt

And it is indeed amazing, as you note, that to say that you think Israel should be treated like any other country is deemed to be the "biased position." Only those who think it deserves a special little place in all of our hearts -- separate and above all the other nations -- is objective.

Friday, January 9, 2009 09:58 AM

Thank you.

Thank you, Glenn for an insightful and poignant blog entry. It is clear who the real terrorists are and scary that the U.S. supports them unconditionally. When will this madness end?

Friday, January 9, 2009 10:01 AM

U2BKristin

What is it about the discussion of Israel that makes people completely unable to be rational?

I can think of about six million reasons.

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