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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
"Clearly. Because only a psychologically disturbed person would see images of Palestinian children being slaughtered in the most brutal and inhumane ways imaginable and react with anger and disgust."
Glenn, I agree with you 100%. I highlighted this portion only to make a small point: they are just children.
if all of us, no matter of what political persuasion, forget for a moment that they are Palestinian children, and just focus on the fact that they are simply children, the only innocents in this entire world we all must share, then all this bullshit about cassus bellii and "right to defend herself" and bla bla bla ... it all means nothing whatsoever.
There cannot be anything more evil than the slaughter of innocents, no matter who their parents are, no matter who their government is, no matter what these others may have done.
There IS nothing more evil.
THAT is the central tenet that WE, the western powers, pursued at Nuremburg, all the way to the gallows; that there simply is no excuse for some behaviours.
"Moral equivalence"?
Absolutely.
It does not matter WHO does these things, or WHY, or under WHAT orders, or WHICH 'authority' these orders are from: this is evil.
Every damn time.
These are the words you just used:
"If you believe Israel has overreacted, that is certainly arguable,..."
See what I mean! Overreacted! Tell all those who are still in agony because Israel wanted to eliminate Hamas and win an election that they have been OVERREACTED!
Please connect the emotional part of your brain with the scientific part and see your inhumanity for what it is. Go to Gaza and tell a child whose parents were killed or a parent whose child was killed that you are sorry that Israel has overreacted.
[Timothy3]: When a master decides what can and cannot be sold, shipped, delivered, or who can/cannot receive medical treatment in Gaza (due to equipment and power failures), or in Israel (due to Israeli blockades on medicines and medical equipment), then a state of slavery exists.
[reznit eedjit Sh**ter]: Oh brother. If we take this characterization as legit, then the slave that tries to kill the master should be executed.
Quite the logic there. But maybe we should take Sh**ter's sentiment as sincere; it certainly does mesh with his thoughts that Hamas should be wiped out without compunction. Maybe Sh**ter should have considered moving even farther south than Washington, DC, where he'd find his views more appreciated.
Cheers,
They know who sign their paycheck and compaign contribution checks. Money and power go hand in hand.
[Sh**ter]: I'm not going to do research when I know perfectly well some fellow warmonger is going to equate killing Israelis to nearly nothing.
"Yes, there is a difference between facts and Truth, and research will not help with the latter." So says our RWA, Sh**ter.
Cheers,
markandkari: "The Israelis evicted the Gaza settlers in 2005 (forcibly in some cases)"
And many if not all of those Gaza settlers were relocated by Israel into settlements in the West Bank.
markandkari: "and are willing to do what must be done within their own borders to bring about a two state system."
Per Dov Weisglass, then a top adviser to Ariel Sharon, Israel withdrew from Gaza not to "bring about a two state system" but instead do the opposite: to freeze the peace process and to "prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state":
"The disengagement is actually formaldehyde. It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that's necessary so that there will not be a political process with the Palestinians. ...
"[T]he rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did. The significance is the freezing of the political process. And when you freeze that process you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state and you prevent a discussion about the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package that is called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed from our agenda indefinitely."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=485929
markandkari: "It’s time for the Arab leadership to stop calling for the extermination of Israel if they are serious about peace."
Three words: Arab Peace Initiative. Look it up.
markandkari: "Until that happens I will staunchly support Israel’s right to protect their borders."
Until Israel stops settlement expansion I will staunchly advocate for the United States’ right to protect its own national security interests by stopping its "aid" to Israel.
In the Armenian earthquake of the 1980s, dozens of Soviet-built housing estates collapsed like so many sand castles due to shoddy practices and stolen cement (the revelation of which, incidentally, helped bring down the Soviet Union itself).
RIchard Rhodes places a large part of the impetus for the dissolution of the Soviet Union on the disaster at Chernobyl (which arguably was shoddy construction and engineering), in his excellent recent book "Arsenals of Folly". This disaster affected Gorbachev greatly and really turned his mind around.
Cheers,
[PalestraJon]: "It is supported by simply false "facts", such as that a vast migration of European Jews forced out peaceful Arab farmers who lived on the land for thousands of years and, using Hitlerian tactics, forced them into ghettos in a final solution of genocide."
Even if this were true, which it isn't, does it justify killing Palestinian children and women?
[PalestraJon]: "While each of these ridiculous statements are debunked by the facts: (1)there has been a Jewish presence in Palestine since the Roman diaspora and a Jewish majority in Jerusalem almost unabated, "
Even if this was the full story, which it isn't, does this in any way justify killing Palestinian children and women in Gaza in 2009?
[PalestraJon]: "(2) The population of Palestine, Jew and Arab, was tiny at the turn of the 20th Century, and there was a large Arab in-migration at that time based largely on Jewish farming and trade,"
Even if this was the full story, which it isn't, does this in any way justify killing Palestinian children and women in Gaza in 2009?
[PalestraJon]: "(3) There were repeated anti-Jewish pogroms by the Arab population throughout the first half of the 20th Century, including the massacre of the Hebron Jewish community, "
Even if this was the full story, which it isn't, does this in any way justify killing Palestinian children and women in Gaza in 2009?
[PalestraJon]: "(4) the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, among others, were ardent allies of Adolph Hitler and hoped to replicate the "Final Solution" in Palestine and would have done so, with the power and "
Even if this were true, which it isn't, does it justify killing Palestinian children and women in Gaza in 2009?
[PalestraJon]: "(5) the UN Partition Plan, which left 65% of the arable land of Palestine in Arab hands as well as most of Jerusalem, together with the rights of each group to live in peace with the other, was accepted by the Israelis and rejected by the Arabs in favor of all out war to drive out the Jewish population---something they did in all lands they controlled. "
Even if this was the full story, which it isn't, does this in any way justify killing Palestinian children and women in Gaza in 2009?
[PalestraJon]: "Granted, there was a similar diaspora of Arabs forced out in areas controlled by the Israelis, but by no means universal (witnessed by the 20% Arab population of Israel) and this was due to the war imposed by the Arabs."
Even if this was the full story, which it isn't, does this in any way justify killing Palestinian children and women in Gaza in 2009?
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