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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:00 AM

Both parties cheerlead still more loudly for Israel's war

As the body count in Gaza piles up, the U.S. Congress acts overwhelmingly to insinuate itself into the war with blind support for Israel.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:15 PM

Interesting fact

One thing I have come to learn about Zionist rhetoric is that if you flip it, in other words, if you take what they say about Arabs and Muslims, and attribute the same thing to the Israelis and Zionists, then it is actually true on the flip-side.

Case in point: that Muslims want to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Actually, there are many documented quotes of Rabbis and Israeli politicians saying exactly the same thing about Palestinians and Arabs.

Next time you hear such a claim, research it. Try it. It really works! It works for such claims as

- human shields

- denial of origins

- denial of right-to-exist

- breaking cease fires

- kidnapping

- targeting civilians

It's actually quite scary, once you see the lies become reality, but only reversed. Try watching mainstream media news afterwards - you will be scared shitless.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:18 PM

Body counts

As far as the body count goes, who cares? 100:1, 1000:1, 10,000:1 it doesn't matter. The Palestinians started this round with their incessant bombing of Israel. The idea of proportionality is ludicrous. When someone is threatening your very existence in both words and deeds you don't survive by counting bodies -- you survive by winning.

The U.N. school was being used by Hamas as a mortar launching position, another example of the pusillanimous Islamic terrorist organization.

Because the politically corrupt U.N. and Europe (known more for appeasement than fortitude) is so ready to throw in the towel when it comes to standing up for freedom and knowledge vs. ignorance and barbarity, that does not mean the U.S. is wrong to support Israel. It should be seen as a warning to those who would force their beliefs on others that there are still those in this world who are willing to fight to protect freedom. It's as simple as that.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:24 PM

It isn't fun to be right

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/08/AR2009010804118_2.html

It's a lot worse in that block of row houses. It seems the IDF rounded people up and told them to stay in these houses, then shelled them, then built a berm around them so that the ambulances couldn't get in, and stood guard for 4 days preventing the ICRC from getting access. A hundred survivors have been pulled from the rubble (you can imagine how they are after 4 days) and 40-50 corpses. You could feel the precursors piling up you could sense that something was going very wrong. But the tough guys, the Congress, and the Israel right or wrong crowd keeps acting like the proper stance is to talk tough. Well congratulations. It's turning into Sarajevo.

It had the foul stench of something horrible this morning. The gates of hell are open.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:25 PM

@Steele The First

there are many documented quotes

Well, then I'm sure you could post a few.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:28 PM

markandkari

It should be seen as a warning to those who would force their beliefs on others that there are still those in this world who are willing to fight to protect freedom. It's as simple as that.

Idiocy.

"Those who would force their beliefs on others"? What do you think Israel is doing? Their "belief" is that Palestinians don't exist. They're Arabs of a certain flavor: Jordanian, Syrian, Egyptian, or simply stateless "Arabs" (and, thus, somehow not quite human).

For Christ's sake, what's wrong with you? These people deserve the same thing you and Kari deserve (a halfway decent life for themselves and their children).

God Damnit! Get it together and remember your humanity!

(Timothy3 is angry--sorry about the fury)

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:30 PM

ondelette

It's turning into Sarajevo.

My thoughts exactly. I remember the Serbs rounding Muslims up and sending them, in groups of 30-40, inside an old gas station. An anti-personnel mine was then detonated and the next lot was sent in, all under the watchful eye of Dutch UN troops.

To be fair, the UN troops were vastly outnumbered.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:31 PM

-- JonathanInTelAviv

It's nice to see that Glenn has formulated this OP without these of his false claim in his recent OP:

"the view which 70% of Americans embrace -- that the U.S. should be neutral and even-handed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict generally -- is one that no mainstream politician would dare express..."

This claim, as I pointed out in my comments to that OP, is patently false, and is disproven by the very opinion survey on which Greenwald based his OP, which states:

"A very large majority of Americans see the resolution of the Israel-Palestinian conflict as an important foreign policy goal and as crucial to winning the war against terrorism."

As well as:

"A strong majority views Israel as a friend of the United States"

(http://americans-world.org/digest/regional_issues/IsraelPalestinians/summary_ME.cfm)

Neither of your cites refutes Greenwald's claim. Greenwald did not claim that Israel was not a friend of the United States nor did he claim that a resolution of the conflict was not an important foreign policy of the United States. He did say that a majority of Americans desire an even handed approach to the conflict. Strangely, that view is the same as that which is mentioned in your own cite:

"A plurality to solid majority takes an even-handed view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, blaming both sides equally and expressing equal levels of sympathy, though a larger minority takes a more favorable view of Israel than of the Palestinians."

Glenn's statement is not contradicted by anything you have cited here. Not the other day and not today. Do you often repeat yourself when you are wrong in the hopes that by repetition, somehow you'll get it right?

Net-based news and commentary are viable alternatives to mainstream media not just because of their accessibility, but because of widely-perceived flaws with the mainstream media. One of those flaws is the lack of intellectual honesty in reporting and formulating viewpoints on issues of the day, due to political bias. Only by striving for quality and honesty can net-based media continue to offer a real alternative to mainstream media.

You should try it. Intellectual honesty, that is. You were a fraud the last time you visited and you're still a fraud.

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