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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
*crickets*
Reprising from a previous comment days ago...
Lets see, so far we have...
Israel is a Democracy. Check.
UT is full of antisemites, including the author. Check.
Israel is defending itself. Check.
Hamas Started it. Check.
Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Check.
It is all the Palestinians fault. Check.
"What would you do?" scenario. Check.
Land claim, aka There is/was no Palestine. Check.
Adding...
Conflating the War on Terror with the Israeli occupation. (can't believe I forgot that one!) Check.
Critics of Israel love Hezbollah/Hamas/Iran. Check.
AIPAC Denial. Check.
The Obama "my daughters" quote. (seems to be a new and important one for the apologist army) Check.
Israel is great and everything it does it great because it is 20% Arab. Check.
Polls are being misinterpreted, Americans love Militarism, especially Zionism, aka "cherry picking" stats. Check.
http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/02/israel/permalink/ffab91210b1412fd6fb5534376872e9d.html
PalestraJon Even after Camp David, and the return of Sinai, Egypt refused to take back Gaza, leaving the problem for Israel.
It wasn't Egypt's to take back. Gaza has traditionally been part of Palestine/Trans-Jordan.
It's people are not Egyptian, and Egypt did not pass of Gaza's problems to Israel.
Israel knowingly kept the area, some in Israel wanted to annex it, others thought it would be part of a Two-State solution.
But in any case, it's incorrect to say it belonged to Egypt and imply Israel was forced to keep it.
FYI, Gaza was seized by Egypt in the 1948 war, that's part of why it wasn't made part of the camp David accords.
He's perfectly capable of critical thought on other issues, but here he is constantly blinded by prejudice.
Jimmy Carter reported that Hamas was willing to agree to an extension of the truce if the truce applied to the West Bank. Do you think he's lying?
Hamas has said on several occasion that they would be receptive to a long-term truce in exchange for a return to the 1967 borders:
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/mideast/palestine/3727.html
Those are just facts.
I have no doubt, and have always said, that there will always be violent extremists -- on both sides, meaning in Hamas and in Israel -- who will never accept a two-state solution.
But there were all sorts of Xanthros around back in the 1970s insisting that those primitive violent Egyptians can't be reasoned with and will never have peace with Isreal.
Speaking of biases and the like, do you have any emotional, cultural or religious connections to Israel that make it more than just another foreign country to you?
Yep - it's the same old song but Glenn never tires of singing it.
...I just have to respond to this horseshit.
Why would he knowing lie, because he has issues with Jews.
WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN> At least when people say that criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism, one can say, well, shit, it's a perspective. But what could it possibly mean to say that Glenn Greenwald, a Jew, has problems with Jews? And please don't give me the "self-hating Jew" crap. It doesn't matter if Glenn is a Jew for Jesus, or if Derbig Mooser is a Jew for Cthulhu... what you're really saying is, Glenn and Derbig want their mothers, and their grandmothers, and all their aunts and uncles and cousins to be rounded up and packed into boxcars.
I know you're just spewing hatred and that there's really no coherent thought or rationality underlying your ravings. But I'm just curious: you really think it's more sense to believe that Glenn wants his nice great-aunt to be murdered than that he just disagrees with the policies of the current Israeli government.
Of course, William of Ockham was probably an anti-Semite. But, you know... a stopped clock, &c.
Israel - Torture - Israel - TortureYep - it's the same old song but Glenn never tires of singing it.
-- NYU Student
If not, maybe you can study or something? It doesn't seem like you are adding a lot to the discussion here.
Speaking of biases and the like, do you have any emotional, cultural or religious connections to [Canada] that make it more than just another foreign country to you?
I must confess that I love Canada. Montreal is my favorite city in North America. I can't wait until we occupy and subdue Canada because I want those Canadians right down the block from me. If we don't annex Canada, I'm hoping Canada annexes US!
Does that count?
BTW, Bill Owen, you are seriously cracking me up.
Hamas, the controls of Gaza, and it's Israel fighting Hamas, not Gazans, doesn't have a grievance if Israel continues to expand settlements in the West Bank, Hamas has a problem is Israel exists or not.
Tell that to the hundreds of Gazan dead. I'm sure the last thought of the dead innocents was, "thank God Israel is fighting Hamas and not Gazans like me. I think I'm safe."
And Hamas probably doesn't object to Israel's West Bank settlements--the rhetorical victory for them is obvious. But what does that mean in the end? Nothing less than "justification" for more bloodshed. This is what is termed in the rarified world of academia as a "pathetic argument."
I was watching MSNBC and saw this propaganda commercial. My jaw dropped. I am still incredibly angry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF2gZu3ygEQ
n/t
is there much more depraved then a US college kid who sandwiches a blog post about Israel:
What I feel is a closer desire to Israel and to the Jewish people during this time that the world, apart from the United States, turns its back on the Jewish state while winking at Hamas’s crimes - as the world has done for the past 3 years. It’s times like these that we must turn inward, we must circle the wagons and rely on the inner strength and power the Jewish people have gained over thousands of years of betrayal and persecution by goyim. In this hour we stand together as one.
with posts bemoaning the latest episode of The real Housewives of Orange County and the closing of his favorite night club.
I'm feeling sick.
NYU Student, does this not move you? At all?
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
