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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:00 AM

Both parties cheerlead still more loudly for Israel's war

As the body count in Gaza piles up, the U.S. Congress acts overwhelmingly to insinuate itself into the war with blind support for Israel.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:10 PM

Psychology of a neocon

A perfect exhibit of the Manichean and self-centered mentality that undergirds the nationalist philosophy (in this case, American nationist) can be found in the nationalist's most automatic and sincere response to even rational dissent from his country's foreign policy posture.

"Uber Liberal Alles:"

I would love it if Mexico and Canada bombed America

I want America to be incinerated. America is evil. This is Greenwald 101 dogma.

Precisely because the nationalist jingoist sees questions of war and foreign policy in binary, Manichean terms of good and evil, with his country indelibly being the good and its enemies evil, his mind cannot help but interpret the critic's motivations through this same lens, inverted.

To acknowledge the logic, points, or evidence proffered by the critic is to intrinsically and intolerably threaten the unquestioning good/evil paradigm, which is as rigid as it is brittle, and if lost, threatens to upend the nationalist's entire worldview.

Such high stakes only serve to intensify the emotionalism and absolutism of the nationalist's responses. It can only escalate. It knows only one mode, varying only the degree to which that mode is expressed, but occasionally - when accompanied by some intellectual talent - comes accompanied by spurious justifications faintly approximating truth and reason.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:11 PM

The Canadians burned the White House?

We have let this outrage stand for nearly 200 years?

It is time for some serious payback. Let's level a couple of cities. These Canadians have brought it on themselves. They should have thought about that before they effed with America.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:13 PM

DCLaw

RE: Chomsky on CBC

What possessed that kid to think he could take on Chomsky? This isn't an interview, it's a lecture. : )

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:13 PM

DCLaw

Part II:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bieFwutoqvA&feature=related

-- DCLaw1

If I were to watch more of that guy's interviews after the Chomsky interviews he might disappoint me for saying this: I thought the fellow listened and learned. I think Chomsky might just have penetrated the fellow's brain.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:14 PM

Poor Silly Vacca

You see, you are supposed to trot out the Canadian/Mexican rocket analogy after the "there were always Jews in Palestine and anyway there is not such thing as a Palestinian anyway" argument. And you skipped the "Israel has always wanted peace" and "the Arabs attacked Israel in 56, 67, and 72" intermediary steps. Could you at least get your talking point order straight? Maybe you should go ask WinSmith for some advice...

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:15 PM

DCLaw1

This has to be it:

That indeed is it. Highly recommended -- he's much more overtly hostile there, or at least adversarial, than he normally is.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:17 PM

My dear Canuckistan Bob,

Excuse me friend, but is "Canuckistan" a Canadian name or are you just another Alaskan?

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:17 PM

DCLaw1

I just watched Part I of the Chomsky interview you linked to. A real pleasure watching him methodically take apart that fellow who reminded me the entire time of Fox's Bret Baer. That guy's twitching and blinking gave me an unhealthy sense of grinning contentment.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:19 PM

Actually it was the British that burned the White - but we'll take the compliment

Canada didn't become a country until 1867, and Newfoundland didn't join until 1949.

You could always invade of course, but bring your mukluks and Sorel's.

But never, ever, forget what happened to you back in 95!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-CFJ74X1o

Goddamn frostbacks! Damn them and their beer! The metric system rules!

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:20 PM

This was a surrender document from Hamas' point of view. -- ondelette

And until they surrender, the conflict continues. Is that what you have in mind? Because that's what you're going to get. More killing ad infinitum.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:25 PM

Neocon psychology part II

"And until they surrender, the conflict continues."

I neglected to mention that the nationalist mentality (which, demonstrably, can be extended to "good" nations other than one's own) is also fixated on notions of "victory" for their side, and "surrender" or utter destruction of the other, even when such terms are wholly inapplicable to a given conflict.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:27 PM

My dear Bill Owen,

Curse the metric system. Your road signs and maps would deceive and confound our Mighty Armies.

We must buy up all your media and institute a campaign to restore the English system of measurement and as soon as all the road signs and maps are updated, we will have our revenge!

Your denials mean nothing to US, someone must PAY. You do have OIL, don't you?

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:30 PM

@Owen

"There's a time to think and a time to act. And this, gentlemen, is no time to think."

How apropos.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:34 PM

This is why I post that Glenn Greenwald has a problem with Jews

Glenn Greenwald Gazans consider themselves Palestinians and believe they have a grievance if Israel continues to expand in the West Bank.

Is because of idiotic statements such as this. This is a Cheney type of lie, because it attempts to use the truth while advocating a falsehood.

Hamas, the controls of Gaza, and it's Israel fighting Hamas, not Gazans, doesn't have a grievance if Israel continues to expand settlements in the West Bank, Hamas has a problem is Israel exists or not.

Every day Gazans are not firing missile at Israel, the every day Gazan is a pawn stuck in a battle of two sides that won't accept each other.

You and I both know that Hamas demands are that Israel cease to exist and nothing short of that is satisfactory, and we both also know that Israel will not work with an entity that advocates her destruction.

It was a major PLO concession at Olso, removing this call for Israeli destruction from the PLO charter, that allowed the peace movement to move forward.

Every single time Glenn posts about Israel, or anything related tangentially to Jews, it's in as negative light as possible.

He spins it as if Hamas would be perfectly happy is Israeli West Bank settlements were stopped, and he knows that this is a lie, thus he knowing promotes a lie.

Why would he knowing lie, because he has issues with Jews.

He's perfectly capable of critical thought on other issues, but here he is constantly blinded by prejudice.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 06:37 PM

@something stinks, actually we have the 2nd largest proven oil reserves in the world

It's locked up in the tar sands, and it takes one barrel of oil to get two barrels of oil, but it's there, and Cheney knows all about it.

Canadians really do worry about annexation. When the middle east is on fire, and the Saudi royal family has been hung from the lamp posts, we have little doubt that the baleful American eye will indeed turn Northward.

And don't forget we have 20% of the world's fresh water. That alone is going to get us attacked by... someone.

Can 32 million frostbacks hold on to all that? No. It's over for us, only a matter of time. Unless we get nukes of course, but that seems unlikely, although we, unlike the Iranians, have the technology and the resources to do it. I advocate for this all the time. Does that make me a terrorist?

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