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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:00 AM

Both parties cheerlead still more loudly for Israel's war

As the body count in Gaza piles up, the U.S. Congress acts overwhelmingly to insinuate itself into the war with blind support for Israel.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:30 PM

There are no words

Reading the Red Cross report of starving little children lying next to their dead mothers, while a few feet away Israeli soldiers do nothing. And we are supporting this. I am sickened.

Quakers have a petition to sign -- it's already too late but it's worth signing and sending to our worthless "representatives" anyway:

http://www.fcnl.org/action/2009/lam0108.htm

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:33 PM

Dead and wounded, kill ratios in Gaza

If the number 700 dead is correct, then 1000 wounded seems low. A more likely ratio is 5 wounded every one killed. That would put the number of wounded at around 3500. 5 to 1 is probably conservative.

http://www.taphilo.com/history/war-deaths.shtml

Of course we will never know for sure as the true numbers will quickly be obfuscated in the bilateral miasma of lies.

It doesn't matter to me, I'm old fashioned that way. One innocent is too many, especially in an unnecessary war. Did I say war, sorry, I meant massacre.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:33 PM

It is Disingenuous to Lump the West Bank with Gaza

They have different rulers and completely different dynamics. The Israelis have no settlements in Gaza. After the Israelis withdrew from Gaza, they dismantled all settlements and left the borders open to supplies and travel. Only after Hamas violently overthrew the existing Fatah government (throwing bodies from rooftops---but that, of course is OK because it is Arab on Arab violence) and starting shooting rockets and mortars into Israel did the blockade begin. Of course, if Egypt did not agree that the Strip should be blockaded, then there would be no effective blockade.

I agree with you that the West Bank settlements are extremely unproductive for peace...however, let's not forget that the Palestinians were offered 97% of the West Bank and most of East Jerusalem, compensating territory for the 3%, Gaza and a right of way connecting the territories and they turned it down at Taba. I think every thinking person still understands that this is the eventual settlement and the killing that continues is senseless.

However, until someone is strong enough to agree to the inevitable terms, is Israel supposed to accept Hamas lobbing rockets and shells into civilian areas? And if Hamas demands war, is Israel supposed to fight under rules inapplicable to Hamas?

Let me quote William Tecumseh Sherman's famous letter to the Mayor and Council of Atlanta, when he cleared the city for destruction:

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace."

War is horrible. It really is. But Hamas demanded war as a political maneuver. When it is ready to make peace, I am sure that Israel will negotiate. Asking Israel to make war gently, however, is ridiculous.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:35 PM

Jericho redux?

I think it's funny that Islam is attacked as being a "violent" religion while the other desert religions get a pass on their less than savory innards tucked away in their texts.

Look up Jericho. Odetta's folk song stops before talking about the slaughter of every man, woman and child (except the woman's family that sheltered Jacob's spies).

Was that not genocide? Wiping out the civilian population? Is that God's plan for the Jewish people?

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:37 PM

Media is one sided as well

Last week I happened to catch an ABC nightly news report on the Gaza situation. They showed the damage a rocket did to some elementary school in Israel. So of course the message was look how terrible the Palistinians are, bombing a school. What savages. Funny they didn't show any of damage the Israeli bombs have done to Gaza. They didn't show any of the dead Palistinian children, killed by Israeli bombs. They didn't point out the humanitirian crisis that is occuring in Gaza due to the blockade. You'd be hard pressed to find any mention of the crisis in Gaza, in any "mainstream media" press. A crisis caused by Israel's actions. It's only in the "leftist" media, like Democracy Now, that you see these things pointed out. So it's not only Congress that marches in lockstep with whatever Israel does. The corporate media does as well. All we get is one-sided pro-Israeli propaganda. Considering this fact, it's amazing that most Americans are against what Israel is doing in Gaza.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:37 PM

Hat Tip Londonlad

I had not seen your post. I completely agree with your lofty goal of pointing out the myth of Osama and his band of merry men. On the topic of 911, one should stick to the scientific facts. By the way, why aren't there any Arab names on the official passenger lists of any of the planes thought to be involved in 911?

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:39 PM

AmericanStudier:

I'm not GG, but I'll step up to say that I see a connection between the issues. Andrew Bacevich argues in his book on "The New American Militarism" that one of its features is mutual reinforcement between American and Israeli militarism -- including both weaponry and tactics. Torture, information control, arbitrary attacks on civilians, promises that "we will keep you safe" -- it's all there. And the binding glue is made of Jewish and Christian biblical fundamentalists, who see the world the same way despite hating each other's guts. (If you look over the list of J-Street supporters, Conservative and Orthodox Jewish leaders are conspicuous by their absence.)

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:43 PM

@PalestraJon

William Tecumseh Sherman said that before four Geneva Conventions and two international organizations were launched to change things. He said it in one of the two wars that precipitated the Geneva Conventions, and modern laws of war. Please refrain from trying to turn the clock back to the Civil War and Solferino, and do what you can to get a ceasefire. 200 children dead to kill 130 Hamas fighters isn't collateral damage it's insanity. The honorable thing to do now is to demand peace.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 01:44 PM

PalestraJon

The Israelis have no settlements in Gaza. After the Israelis withdrew from Gaza, they dismantled all settlements and left the borders open to supplies and travel

So if you lived in Florida, and a foreign army invaded the U.S. and occupied all 50 states, you'd be fine as long as they withdrew from Florida but continued to occupy North Carolina, New York and Virginia?

Gazans consider themselves Palestinians and believe they have a grievance if Israel continues to expand in the West Bank. See the Op-Ed from Jimmy Carter (who probably did more for Israel's security than any other U.S. President with Camp David) recounting that one of the key impediments to extending the cease-fire was that Hamas wanted it to apply to the West Bank but Israel would only discuss Gaza:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Moreover, while Israel might have physically withdrawn from Gaza, they continued to control major aspects of Gazan life.

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