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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
The Palestinian death toll continues to mount on the eleventh day of Israel's attack on Gaza. The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reports 100 Palestinians were killed in Israeli attacks Monday, "a large number" of them civilians. At least twelve of the dead were children. At least two whole families were wiped out, one family of seven inside the Shati refugee camp and another family of eleven in the neighborhood of Zeitoun. Earlier today, at least ten Palestinian civilians were killed when an Israeli naval boat shelled their home on the Gaza shore. Witnesses say Israeli tanks have now entered a second major Palestinian city, Khan Yunis, in addition to Gaza City in the north.
Meanwhile, five Israeli soldiers were also killed Monday. The Israeli military says four of them died in two separate incidents when Israeli tank shells errantly hit the areas where they were operating. The mistaken killing of its own soldiers could serve to further bolster criticism of Israel's claim to be attacking Gaza with precise strikes on military targets.
Overall, an estimated 562 Palestinians have been killed with more than 2,500 wounded
http://www.alternet.org/rights/117696/israel_bombs_un_school%2C_three_killed%3B_death_toll_100_on_monday_alone
I know, this makes me a crazy Zionist, what with my acknowledgments of Israel's right to exist, right to respond to mortar fire, and the fact that anti-Semitism still exists in this world. I'm crazzzy!
But since some on this board are calling Glenn out for having the temerity to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, it's clear that loons are not in short supply.
The way you pick and dig--then anyone else who offers an opposing view is "a loon"-is EXACTLY the myopic beergoogled "Isreal-is-always-right" tribalism GG is addressing..
Would advise sobering up..and looking through a larger lens there...like say....the world lens...
I know it's comforting to try to hold onto the familiar...to try to convey the world in the constructs of one's own black/white ideology..
It's also naive, immature, tribalistic, bigotted, sterotypical..
You see what you want to see, pick out parts that you want to..without looking at the bigger pictures..
iow..you take things out of context..to bend it to whatever construct your mind has created...
Just like the way you look through teh lens of this incursion into Gaza through your own eyes--over that of the Palestinaians or the rest of the world.
It's shortsighted, myopic, opportunistic, narrowminded..to think that ONE viewpoint over those of many have a lock on reality..
One would think you would begin to see your own emotional blinders for what they are:
bigotry & elitism.
Facts are important, Glenn. And your so-called adherence to them took a major hit the other day. It would be nice to hear you admit as much.
You're not the judge of that. You speak only for yourself. And, if I had to do it again, I would write about the video exactly the way I did.
Israel is physically preventing any journalists from entering Gaza. Other than Al Jazeera, there is no such thing as "official confirmation" from credible news organizations about what is going on there. When an invading army physically blocks journalists from entering, one has to rely on things like videos taken by residents and released on the Internet. Other than blindly believing what the IDF says, there is no other way to know what's going on in Gaza.
That video was widely posted, including in places I trust. I noted the lack of ability to confirm its authenticity from the start. As soon as someone pointed to evidence suggesting it may not be what it was represented to be, I posted it. That is exactly the responsible thing to do. I would do it that way again.
There was nothing misleading about the video. As I said from the start, even if it's false, it's the sort of carnage that the Israelis are creating inside Gaza. And that's true. The point I was making -- and make again -- is that the Israelis are motivated by a desire to prevent the world from seeing what they're doing, and that's why they are blocking journalists from entering Gaza.
You can repeat your accusations every day if you want. All you're doing is repeating yourself.
glad to hear you're a guy (means my guydar is still correctly functioning).
I think you make some very provacative points & I haven't yet seen the pro-Israel-first crowd (to give them a shorthand name) address your points at all.
Please stop bending over backwards to strike a "serious" or "reasonable" posture in response to this Gaza invasion. Isn't that what you constantly accuse others of doing? It's unseemly and not like you at all to write the following: . . .I realize it's difficult for we Americans--especially in the wake of World War II--to acknowledge the fact that there is no such thing as a "just" or "necessary" war.
The reason I refrain from advocating the doctrine of pacifism -- that there is no such thing as a just war -- isn't because I'm bending over backwards to strike a serious or reasonable posture.
It's because I don't believe in that doctrine. I disagree with you that there's no such thing as a just war. Did that possibility really not occur to you?
America has committed nearly a trillion dollars and over 4,500 American, ostensibly to improve the lives of the people of Iraq. If we continue to give Israel 3 billion a year, it will take us 333 years to give Israel what we've sunk into Iraq in financial costs alone.
If you think Israel is the #1 country we are aiding right now, you're uninformed at best.
But Israel-hating requires one to talk about Israel in a vacuum. Thus no mention of Gaza missiles, the Second Intifada, the wars on Israel in 1967 and 1973, the fact Arafat was funneling PLO money to his family in France, our funding of Egypt, Pakistan, etc. etc.
It's just "Israel just did X!!! OMG!!" Lame.
Of course, if you can propose a different solution, I, and many others, would be quite receptive. Unless that is, your solution is little more than a reprise of the Final Solution. Which, based on the tone of your post, is a real possibility, unfortunately.Shalom.
-- wbgonne
I hope you don't think that beating up on an imbecile wins you any points in the overall give and take. I thought you said a while back that we should drop Strange Bedfellows and adopt a 'convince them all' approach with our better reasoning abilities? Please, don't be on my team or pretend that you are. You're not.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
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