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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:00 AM

Discussing Israel/Gaza on right-wing talk radio

I had an unexpectedly substantive discussion of the Middle East and the "Islamic threat" on "The Hugh Hewitt Show" last night.

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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:40 AM

Mommy! Why does everyone agree with Israel all the time?

I really appreciate your writing on this topic, Mr. Greenwald. I especially liked your piece the New Republic and the poor coverage and lack of discussion of both sides of the Israel/Gaza conflict in America.

I think you are correct on a lot of issues here. There needs to be more open and critical discussion from both sides and we, as a country, cannot unanimously support ANY country, let alone a country that engages in such controversial actions with our money and weapons. The Israel-America relationship and America's unquestioning endorsement really needs to be reconsidered in this new presidency if anything is to change in the Middle East.

I linked to your article on my blog and we have quite some interesting discussion going. Check it out if you have a chance:

http://www.populusrespublica.org/?p=498

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:41 AM

@ knowbuddhau2

That was a great and insightful post at 6:32.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:46 AM

-- Lotus Feet

Mr Feminine Focus, why aren't you fighting and putting you ass on the line if you feel so strongly ? You are of the "new strain", correct?

I hate to break it to you, but the real world is not the horseshit & glory you see on TV. As for your hatred of woman, I'm guessing it has a lot to do with you being massively unappealing to them. Why do you think that is? Your fear?

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:47 AM

re: American Veto

There appear to be some interesting moves to circumvent the security council via the general assembly, in re: UN statement on Israel/Gaza.

Also, some very good relevant reporting at Democracy Now, today's broadcast.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:49 AM

Opened my eyes

to the (I'll admit surprising) fact that "Right Wingers" can indeed be willing to engage in substantive discussion with a "Leftie"....cast in greater relief as your terrific (on both sides) interview was interspersed with entries to join the grass-roots Resistance against Obama's coming Socialist Nightmare. [insert alarmed chuckles]

Kudos to Hewitt for exposing his audience to your thoughts, and for conducting a thoughtful interview -- I was impressed.

And facinating in his very last question how he cme right out and asked Yes, but when do we get to just Bomb the Hell out of Them? When do we get that ultimate, cathartic release? When do we get to be Ralphie in "A Christmas Story" just beating the snot out of a bully, and being put lovingly to bed afterwards without punishment?.... What, NEVER? What are you implying -- that's not the responsible adult way to deal with your adversaries? Damnit.

And admittedly I sometimes feel the same way -- ironically, I feel this way about those I would label Rightie WingNuts. Thanks, Glenn, for opening my mind to the other side, while hopefully doing the same for some of them.

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:49 AM

casual

A general assembly resolution has no teeth; its the sc resolutions which can then be used as the basis for political action on the part of the international community. I think you probably know that; its just that the ga always has a resolution and they are useless..

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:51 AM

riddler

What always surprises me about the right wing apologists is that they throw around the word terrorist so often. Israel admitted in 2006 that one of the goals was to turn the Lebanese against Hizbolah. Its one of the stated aims of this invasion at well, and discussed at length by the media.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't using military attacks on civilian populations to achieve a political outcome, terrorism?

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 08:53 AM

@Hankest

. Israel used violence to steal land from the people who had been living there for thousands of years.

Your comment makes no sense at all! "Israel" did not even exist when the land was expropriated. The area was a colonial "protectorate" controlled by the British and to some extent, the French.

You are perpetuating the Hasbara myth that there is a nation called "Israel" which finally returned to (even if by robbery) its rightful home.

If that is the case, Hitler had every right, in fact the obligation, to purge these aliens from Germany, and any other country would do the same. Why, in fact, Hitler could simply have declared them "enemy non-combatants"

And was it Hitler's responsibility what happened to them? No, let the Jews take care of their own!

No c'mon Winsmith. Start that rhetorical pirouetting you are so fond of. I've never seen the Tel Aviv ballet, so that will be a good start.

Oh, and Winsmith, who are the Jews? Who gets to determine who is and isn't a Jew when we all run for Israel, the Nazis are coming for us.

That also is no longer in God's hands either. Now Israel determines who, for their purposes is a Jew. Do you even understand what an affront that is?

If Zionism was a car, it would turn in every direction at once!

Listen to me, Zionists! If the Jews are a "nation", we better be ready to play on that stage, and at that level. You want to play on the level of international wars, but you still plotz every time you think you hear some "anti-semitism"?

You are so worried about being exterminated? You should have checked on the numbers of Jews, and their birth-rate, before you decided you could play on the national stage.

And one more thing Winnie, you can't expect to go around kvetching about how everyone has mistreated you, and expect countries to give you a place out of guilt. Nations don't feel guilt. Hell, you ought to know that!

And so now you have Israel, and Israel has made Judaism hostage to those same neo-cons you profess to hate so much!

Or tell me, Winston, how do you see Israel surviving on its own, with no help from those awful neo-cons and Goyim they persecuted you so much.

But of course, (to wrap this up) Judaism is something you have no care for at all. To Zionists, Jewishness is the thrill of vicarious pride they feel in Israel being able to kick around some of the poorest, most powerless people on earth.

Shame! Shame! Zionism will be the death of Judaism.

And please tell me Winsmith, as one Jew to another, how does God fit into this? Is He in favor of the Zionist project? Does He tell the Israelis to burn and bomb Gaza schools?

And if you don't think you can depend on God in this project, how is it Jewish.

As a Jew, I am willing to depend on God's will, tho it be completely inscrutable to me. If God tells me, as he told you, not to kill, I take him at His word, and consider any project which must be advanced by killing to be trafe

So when did God cancel the Ten Commandments for the convenience of the Zionists?

Here is the essence of Zionist Judaism: "God, who does not exist, gave us this land"

Once again Winsmith, as one Jew to another: What can God do for Jews in Israel that he can't do anywhere else? and more importantly What can a Jew do for God in Israel, that the Jew cannot do for God anywhere else? Ask yourself that question, if, of course, your Judaism involves God, which I very much doubt, and please, tell us the answer.

And once we Jews embark on this project without God, all we are is a group of individuals stealing land, manipulating and killing people.

Would you like to tell us how your life depends on Israel (other than vicarious blood-lust)? Want to posit that if Israel didn't exist, all the Goyim would kill us? Those same fine Goyim which they are supporting Israel to the tune of billions a year.

Why, I bet if we added up the money and the power necessary to establish Israel, it is not even a "Jewish" project at all.

You have sold our Jewish souls to them, Winsmith. Good going.

And you are so degraded as a Jew, you have so little pride in yourself as a person and a child of God's, that vicarious blood-lust serves as a brocha for you.

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