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When you reminded him of his fervor in saying that no Sunni fighters could be negotiated with. His stammering denials only make it clear that what most motivates right wingers in supporting invasions of muslim countries and territories is a disturbing and stubborn might makes right. Its grounded in nothing more, there is no reasoning behind it. I think that any reasonable person would have come around to your view by the end of the interview; how many reasonable people listen to the show is another thing altogether.