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Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:00 AM

Orwell, blinding tribalism, selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

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Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:34 PM

Too much to handle. REALLY!!

This is so bad that I am virtually frozen into nothing but an ice cold RAGE. I mean: Before this utter madness started I could not even look at the Palestinian/Israel situation without too much pain. It is and HAS BEEN a shame for the entire global community that nothing has been done to minimize the suffering in Palestine. And it's also a shame that Arab countries have done so little.

A Crime against Humanity is Crime, no matter what party performing it. The rockets from Hamas is Criminal. The attitude of the Israeli government is a Crime. The US attitude against this conflict is a Crime. The amount of US tax payers money used to buy expensive weapons systems directed at TOTALLY defenseless civilians is a HUGE crime and it's a BLOODY shame that the people the of USA do not react and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

It's a joke that the European political leaders NOW try to ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING when they have looked the other way for years. It's UTTERLY AMAZING that the International Community hasn't grabbed Israel BY THEIR TESTOSTERONE INTOXICATED BALLS - sorry! - and said: STOP IT!!!! or we will cut off EVERY kind of support for your criminal behavior. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

Sorry for shouting, but this is one of those times when I am not AT ALL happy being a so called Human Being. No.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:32 PM

@ omooex

The West Bank and Gaza may have been part of the mandate, but they were not a part of the formation of Israel, and the various Arabs living there (soon to be grouped together as "Palestinians") were not displaced by the formation of Israel at that point.

This distinction is crucial, because you cite nearly a million Palestinians in "Israel" in 1948, and that is empirically not true. Exaggerating the displacement of Palestinians because there are so many in Israel today (thanks to their prodigious birth-rate, nearly 7 children per family) helps confuse what happened historically.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:30 PM

Also WinSmith,

Why do you think the Jewish people were in danger of "disappearing"? Where on earth do you get that idea?

I'll p[oint out to you, Winsmith, that God Himself said that the Jewish would not

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:26 PM

Gator90

Some Jews' viewpoints about Israel are affected by their cultural or religious affinity for the Jewish country.

Try this instead: some people are so self-absorbed and developmentally stunted that whatever is drilled into their heads in childhood about who are the Good People and the Bad People and who Their Team must be is never questioned by them, and those simplistic lessons therefore end up mindlessly shaping their fixations and biases well into adulthood, all masquerading as some sort of political analysis.

Or, shorter still: My mommy told me Israel is my team and so now I root for them and see the world from their perspective.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:25 PM

@WinSmith

However, the survival of the Jewish people

WinSmith, will you, once and for all DEFINE "THE JEWISH PEOPLE"

How do you delineate them? How do you know some aren't "faking", just pretending to be Jewish.

What about, even worse, people like me who think they are Jewish, but you don't think so. How do you deal with that?

Please define for us this "Jewish People"

You couldn't if your life depended on it. Thank God it depends on the opposite, even if you're too dumb to see it.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:24 PM

Z& Win:

you already show your bias by ascribing to the propaganda PR machine..

Hamas was a democratically elected party...

Israel actually helped to form Hmas years ago, by trying to form a counter to Fatah..

So now the blowback from yet one other prolly CIA-complicit neoconian idea (like Al Qaeda, OBL recruitment by CIA to fight Soviets in first Afghanistan war)-is to label that blowback "terrorism"..

ummm.except the fingerprints of Hamas inception are all over Israels' govt.-so becuase like AlQaeda, whom the CIA helped formed-let's just get the spinmeisters spinning Goebbal-style by labeling Hamas "terrorists"..

It's some archane theory like everyone who fights in wars is supposed to wear "Redcoats" so you can knock em off like fish easier...and those who don't get labeled "terrorists"..

Just becasue they don't jsut fall in line (DAMN THEM!) with what the past identifies with war (uniforms, lines, strategy that you know...)they are TERRORISTS...

As far as GG asking anyone here why they take the positions they do-as far as cultural, religious, social, national affiliation to further understand why you think the way you do..

your patent response of sarcastic "armchair psychology"-is more "sand in the eyes" DEFLECTION of looking seriously at the question YOU have to pose to yourself honestly about ATTACHMENT and PREJUDICE:ie a common sense-nothin "woo-woo psych talk" about it..

Common sense..

If you want to believe all leaders from the past and present are actually giving you ALL of the truth, or even your parents or heritage..

Guess that's why no journlists are NOT being allowed in Gaza now huh?

And would you believe your "LYING eyes" over a propagandized message anyhow?

Actually OPENING your eyes to truth..instead of believing you have a monopoly on it over reality is key to understanding how "attached" one really is..

But you have to WANT to see it for yourself-a scary prospect into the "grownup" world-especially when it means that people you may have thought were telling you the truth-were not.

When people you thought you had respect for-don't deserve it..

When you realize your own complicity/ego attachment, selfishness- over good of others..

Think about it.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:23 PM

Rob H.

I noted that while many others were posting that video and claiming it was from an Israeli attack, I could not and did not vouch for its authenticity, and then linked to the first assertion that it was not from Israel's attack.

As for the rest of your desire to have an in-depth analysis of Israel, Israel and Israel, I'd like to ask: do you have any emotional, cultural or religious attachments to Israel that make you see it as something special, as more than just another foreign country?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:21 PM

@Winsmith

Clearly much brighter people than you. Israeli-Arab warfare has not been going on for "centuries." Perhaps you're thinking of Christian-Arab warfare. Far and away the more war-mongering and massacring religion of the past 1000 years has been Christianity. Convenient how that always gets left out of our history books.

And those Christians are the people I should align myself with for the sake of Zionism? Remeber too, WinSmith, the Goyim get Israel in the end. And without the Goyim, there would be no Israel.

Aren't you lucky WinSmith? America is your Shabbes Goy and so are the Goyim.

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