"Liberals, welcome to the real world where you shoot both of them. Thats what war is. Get over it."

Another racist, Jewish-Supremacist. They just seem to come out of the woodwork at times like this.

Is, like any other country, any other border, based on the will of the people within those borders and the consensus of those around it.

Israel was created by fiat, not from any God, but from a body of mostly western European powers -- the same that had been colonizing the region of Palestine for centuries.

Consensus of ex-colonial powers on creating by fiat, whole cloth from nothing at all, the state of Israel does not a legitimate country make.

I'm sorry, it is that simple. Israel never had much legitimacy to begin with. That is why the West spends billions a year defending it: Israel is just a friendly outpost and client state of oil-addicted European and American powers.

There is no God, there is no Promised Land, and the only way Israel can become legitimate is to voluntarily disarm, permit foreign peacekeepers to take over and begin to negotiate in earnest with its neighbors.

Not a two state solution, a one state solution, and a democratic one, with Arabs and Jews voting equally.

If that means the end of Israel as we know it, so be it.

"...I have visited Israel during my life. I have a strong appreciation for the basic goodness of the Israeli people, their initiative in creating something from nothing, and their attempts to set a good example even under physical (as well as rhetorical) attack..."

Did you also visit Gaza and find the Palestinians to be sub-or-inhuman, deserving of being robbed of their land, caged and starved ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/03/gaza-diary-israel or click sig

The Guardian lets a Palestinian chronicle life in a ghetto under constant bombardment by cowards in the skies.

Iraq, Iran, Syria and the rest of the Middle East have been continually at war for CENTURIES. Without end. Quite a different matter.

Can you give the names and dates of even some of those wars?

And if, in fact, that was true, why would the Zionists choose such a war-prone region to establish their settlements?

But first, the names and/or dates of any wars which can any validity to that baseless and racist canard.

"Fact is Hamas puts civilians right on top or near its ammo dumps"

I heard that line in a movie once. And the cop turned round and said, "Save it for the war crime judge honey, its wasted on me."

Liberals, welcome to the real world where you shoot both of them. Thats what war is. Get over it.

you are hereby determined to be a Serious commenter

Re: the dancing thing - the kid gets the 73 virgins, we celebrate wealth + sex + power too. we fear death.

Do WinSmith, Zenwick, and the other Israel-Firster defendings all things Zionist even give the slightest shit about how this war could affect the United States? Any mention of how blind US support for Israel is one of Osama Bin Laden's main recruiting tools? (one of many) Any talk about how 100% US support of Israel is EXACTLY what AQ and the "terrorists" want the United States to do? Any discussion of the disconnect between the American people and their rogue Government?

Nope. It's all about how Israel is a democracy and has a right to defend itself and blah fucking blah *insert yet another Israel-First talking point while accusing those who disagree of "hating Jews" (even though most of those disagreeing are themselves Jewish)*. Not a damn word about how their "All About Israel" position compromises the security of their own country (or what is supposedly their country).

Like Michael Schueur wrote in response to the Joe Klein "dual loyalty" snafu:

Now that the dust has settled in the spat between journalist Joe Klein and the ideologues at Commentary, it is time to regret the ink spilled over the non-issue of "dual loyalties." The idea that there are U.S. citizens who have equal loyalties to the United States and Israel is passé. American Israel-firsters have long since dropped any pretense of loyalty to the United States and its genuine national interests. They have moved brazenly into the Israel first, last, and always camp. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Norman Podhoretz, Victor Davis Hanson, the Rev. Franklin Graham, Alan Dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani, Douglas Feith, the Rev. Rod Parsley, Paul Wolfowitz, James Woolsey, Bill Kristol, the Rev. John Hagee, and the thousands of wealthy supporters of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) appear to care about the United States only so far as Washington is willing to provide immense, unending funding and the lives of young U.S. service personnel to protect Israel. These individuals and their all-for-Israel journals – Commentary, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Wall Street Journal – amount to nothing less than a fifth column intent on involving 300 million Americans in other peoples' religious wars, making them pay and bleed to protect a nation in which the United States has no genuine national security interest at stake.

It's you that's hung up on exactly one statement of mine.

Yeah, Omooex, it's like writing a computer program. A couple of wrong statements in the initial programming makes no difference at all to the outcome! Everybody knows that!

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Cluster bombs have uranium do they not?

&were banned by UN-& why I chose not to support HRC in her Pres bid (cluster-bomb vote).

I've seen vid of massabcre all over web. Believe legit..

It was afterall, the police tht Israel targettted in thier first bombing campaign-whaich is what pics of uniforms show..

(DEAD men in uniforms I should say)..

which is strategy to cause chaos-by isolating those who control it (police) from the civilians to try to invoke more fear..

You attribute a lot to my statements, things that are just not there. I am angered by the US's celebration of slaughter, I hate it when people do it in Palestine. In fact, I've watched it happen, not in video, but in real life. Its something I decry in this culture and that one. What really makes me angry is when an American, having his hands drenched in blood from the conflicts his government undertakes, focuses on a brutalized people to make himself feel morally superior. A Palestinian could easily make similar observations about Americans's reactions to their brutal slaying of innocents in the muslim world. In fact, they do. A lot.

You'll find no defense of dancing in the streets in any of my posts, but what you will find is annoyance at the broad brush people like you seek to paint Palestinians because of the actions of some, while their own country is engaged in two invasions at once.