Whatsamatter Zenny? Find it just a little disconcerting when that good old hasbara isn't selling?

It's over Zenny! Your Hasbara has lost its chutzpah!

So when you making Aliyah, Zenwick? I mean, with all these Christians persecuting you, how can you stay here in this awful Christian state?

The IDF needs you, Zenwick. Israeli kids are refusing to go in ever larger numbers, and since Israel cannot, even by putting less-favored Jews in the position of human sheilds, keep elite and affluent Jews from leaving. And most pitiful of all, you can't even keep up your birth-rate.

No Zenny, Winsmith, as long as you are here, you are just a sniveling coward. Why Israeli war-crimes make you feel so embiggened, I will never know, but what's keeping you from acting on your beliefs. Mom won't let you go? Or maybe it's nice to be a rabid Zionist from the safety of America?

Geez, I take one little wanking break and come back just as zenwick leaves in a huff. Go figure!

I do take exception to the characterization of the comments as a "closed-minded exercise in mutual mental masturbation". It doesn't take Dr. Ruth to point out that for optimal and joyful mutual mental masturbation, the participants' minds must be as open as possible. In fact, attempting mutual mental masturbation with minds clenched tight can actually result in permanent injury, not to mention hellish discomfort!

That said, I think you all need to go to your rooms and think about what you've done! You know who you are.

Although I gotta admit, I always figured ol' zenwick as more of a MENSA type.

The use by white Americans of the laws against illegal drugs as a means to complete the ethnic cleansing of American blacks is for a different thread, however I will just say this.

While it is reasonable to assume that the underclass use drugs somewhat more than does society as a whole because they need to blot out from consciousness their miserable lives, the proportion to which they do so is nothing like the proportional difference in prosecutions and imprisonment. If white children of the respectable classes were having their lives wrecked by the drug laws in the same ratio as to their use as are black children of the underclass the drug laws would not be tolerated for more than five minutes.

Discriminatory enforcement is an essential part of the drug war.

Well I've thought about it

... and I've decided you're right. This is a waste of my time. I was looking for a place where interesting ideas can be debated and issues can be discussed. What's here, unfortunately, is a mob: a self-congratulatory, closed-minded exercise in mutual mental masturbation. So long, wankers. Enjoy yourselves.

-- zenwick

Aw Harry, are you going to let the Muggles win?

To be serious for a moment, in all your comments on this topic, I have never once see you debate a single interesting idea, or actually discuss (as in back and forth) an issue. You make ridiculous claims, and then whine if anybody disagrees with them that they are being mean to you. Pace Monty Python, that's not even Contradiction (let alone Argument), it is whining. Self congratulatory whining at that. I have had far more interesting, complex, and rational discussions with actual Israelis than what I have seen here.

Anyway, as I think omooex said last time you stomped out in high dudgeon: don't let the proverbial door slap you in the you know what on the way out.

Except I rather doubt your sincerity on this, as on pretty much every other post you have made. See you next time.

Ah well. We are the Uruk Hai! Argh Argh Argh! We are Triumphant! Puny humans. Puny Hobbits. Let us eat their children now!

Beautifully observed! Thanks much, and best wishes for a pleasant and prosperous new year.

At least in America we let Native Americans and former slaves (African Americans) vote. As we should.

Do Palestinians have a vote in Israel? Arabs? Or is it that the only people with the privilege of voting are Israeli Jews?

How is this a democracy?

Either you believe in democracy or you don't. It's just that simple.

Or maybe it's nice to be a rabid Zionist from the safety of America?

I think this has a lot to do with it. And by doing so, they can also pretend that it won't ever have an effect on America or Americans. In fact, they can conflate Israel with the War on Terror and pretend that they, along with their fellow Zionists, are protecting the US through its proxy Israel. You can just see the way they talk on and on and on about Israel without once mentioning that it may have negative consequences in the United States. They just don't care. They don't really care about the US at all. There is no dual loyalty when it comes to Zionists, in the end it's all about "Supporting Israel" 100% of the time.

I appreciate your sensitivity to the word, Zionism. I understand that many of those who moved to Israel were not rabid zionist ideologues, but refugees.

And of course they probably consider themselves zionists, because it's now their home, not because of any ideological leanings.

However, a grave injustice has been committed in the name of this ideology, and it continues to this day. I think the most important thing any of us can do is to distinguish between Judaism from Zionism.

Not ONLY to foster discussions without the usual silencing "anti-semitism" tactic, but because there's no need to peg this tribal political ideology onto a peaceful religion and potentially create REAL anti-semitism.

Zionists don't care about this. Anti-semitism means more immigrants and more American Jewish financial support.

I care about it, because I couldn't give a rat's ass about Zionism, but I care about Jewish Americans.

You claim omooex threatened you. [...]yet, all omooex did was state that if [you] were to say [you] wanted to bomb his family or friends and said it in person, he would knock [your] teeth out. [...] Come on, now. That's bullshit and you know it. omooex is correct. If someone came up to me, or you, and said their friends and relatives were nothing but meat for the Israeli grinder, I (and you) would pound their ass into salt if we could. To do otherwise would demonstrate a complete and total lack of humanity. Do you believe omooex or anyone else with his connections to the Palestinians should just read the shit you're peddling and not respond in kind?

You've denigrated just about everyone here whom you've had contact with on this issue, now including me. Oh, you're slick about it and you use flowery words... -- Jebbie

Yes. He is all aflutter with sorrowful disdain whenever he finds the slightest opening in his opponents' comments, isn't he? All the better to ignore any validity in their arguments. I read every damned comment to Glenn's previous post on this topic; zenwick was all over that comments thread. The suite of quotes that omooex posted here was just a small sampling of the many bigotted statements that zenwick and Winsmith (among others) posted to comments yesterday. He's been working as hard as he can to get omooex to "go postal" -- in order to use omooex as an "example" of a crazed & violent Ayrab. And if omooex had obliged, zenwick would have been so very, very, quick to point out the "wrongness" of his "violent" response.

Omooex failed to excerpt zenwick's most contemptible, damning comment from the prior comments thread:

@omooex

"I lived in Palestine for two years. They may be willing to humor you, but I don't. My father was born there, as was his father and on, our village is hundreds of years old.... And if we ever happened to be in the same room together and you said anything like that to me in the real world, rest assured I'd do exactly as I said I would."

Thanks, I was curious as to who you are. I personally don't think you're doing much of a job representing your people as being very rational, since you don't seem to be able to avoid the urge to violence, even in what should be a discussion of the issues. So you hate Israelis, and you hate me; so what? That doesn't make you right. It only makes you part of the problem.

-- zenwick

Permalink Saturday, January 3, 2009 05:29 PM (emphases mine)

After baiting the man with blatantly racist falsehoods for hours, zenwick jumped like a Willis in four-wheel drive the minute he could.... all over a fairly restrained break in omooex's otherwise careful rationalism.

One wonders if zenwick wet himself when the opportunity finally arose. After all, he had worked for it for hours.

None of this came anywhere near Glenn's central thesis on this issue -- that unswerving, knee-jerk support for Israeli military action in Gaza may not be in the interest of the United States of America. And that we therefore should be discussing it... without fear of (knowingly) false accusations of anti-Semitism from anyone who chooses to put the interests of Israel before the interests of the U.S. Dual loyalties exist, and are a fact of life for many Americans -- some Cuban-American, some Vietnamese-Americans, some Irish-Americans and some Jewish Americans. To discuss these facts is not, a priori equivalent to being a Nazi, regardless of how Nazis used the idea 70 years ago. To say so is to dishonor the memory of those who died at their hands, and those who died to defeat them.... in order to score a few contemporary political points. To insist that no one else (no Gentile) can possibly be good enough to "understand".... is patronizing and false. It is a malicious bit of self-aggrandizing pap that deserves to be exposed and ridiculed.

We are all human.