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Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:00 AM

Orwell, blinding tribalism, selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

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Sunday, January 4, 2009 03:56 PM

Satannic...

"Also I think it's my turn to run all the Banks and Television."

If you're implying that idiots like you run the banks and the media, you'll get no argument here I'll bet.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 03:56 PM

Single state solution

It bears repeating.

The only way to give legitimacy to Israel is to let every adult, Arab and Jew, have the right to vote.

If that is the end of Israel as we know it, so be it.

Que sera sera.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 03:57 PM

I'm half Egyptian ...so what what does that make me ?... -- Klytus

One of the chosen race. Chosen by Horus. You lucky bastard, the rest of us have to convert and Horus does not always take converts --- sorta catch as catch can.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 03:57 PM

@- something stinks

Mr. Hollywood has commented here for a long time under various names. When Glenn first got into an exchange with him, Glenn concluded (as I recall): "I find it hard to believe somebody psychologically stable wrote that. In fact, I don't believe it"

And Glenn has handled it on that line since then, as far as I can see.

Me, I'll yalk to anybody, even if they're nuts. But I'm probably nopt as busy as Glenn, by a long shot.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 03:57 PM

heru-ur

What if they aren't getting paid? What if they are just brainwashed and/or bat shit fucking crazy?

Cognitive Dissonance is a cold mistress.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:00 PM

lauriea

I would recommend robert fisk at the independent (UK).and so does GIYUS, to tell him he has gone too far!

http://ws.collactive.com/points/point?id=XXbGi6HYQkaI

Add your comment at the bottom of the article. Remind Mr. Fisk that the palestinains rejected the UN partition decision on 1947 and have decided to take the violent path multiple times since then. It's time the Palestinians face up to their responsibility in this conflict.

Robert Fisk rightly claims this war with Hamas has roots in the historic Israeli Palestinian conflict. However, when claiming that Hamas is shooting on Palestinian lands (e.g. Ashkelon..) he is going too far.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:00 PM

@ Derbig

Yes, I understand.

Actually, I have continued to lurk at this thread because I am gratified to read the responses of passionate and well-informed commenters to the three-way crossfire from the tenacious Zionphiliacs.

Although, as has also been noted, these discussion threads tend to take on the intractable serve-and-volley war of attrition perpetuated by the subjects of the discussion. Funny coincidence, that.

But are you seriously suggesting that an ember of nostalgie d'un pays does not smolder fiercely within the bosom of every dispossessed Jew and Semite?

Are you never visited with haunting dreams or visions of reclining on your own balcony in a charming house under the smiling sun of the Old Country, perhaps being massaged by a Palestinian houseboy?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:02 PM

Thanks Glenn

Mr. Greenwald,

Once again you have written a piece that eloquently expresses the frustration many of us feel regarding how Israeli crimes are portrayed in the American media.

I, too, am continually dismayed by liberal friends, who, if we were talking about any country other than Israel, would be outraged by the atrocities being committed.

I would like to think the Obama administration will bring a more balanced perspective to our policies vis-a-vis Israel and Palestine, but the preponderance of old AIPAC lobby-ees embedded into the incoming foreign policy machinery tamps my optimism.

Glenn, your columns are the first thing I search for on the internet each day.

All the best,

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:02 PM

My immediate first thought before I even had time to start thinking was - its a plant. -- LondonLad

It may be a plant, I have no idea how reliable Reuters is these days. There was a time when one could sorta trust the news wires, but today we must be wary.

However, even if only a myth --- it contains a lot of truth. No?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:03 PM

@GBT

Most people of color of which I am one, have moved on..

However here, this discussion isn't a discussion...it's a contest to win the Holy Mantle of Hallowed and Victorious Victimhood.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:04 PM

First comes Satanic Jews, then Zenwick and WinSmith

and now Thrasher (GBT) is here to preach his bigotry while calling everyone that disagrees a racist!

The bigoted bigot-busters are all here!

Yippie!

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:06 PM

That explains it...

Oh, Zenwick's a troll...Well that explains why he claims that I and others make no sense and then upon hearing any explanation resorts to an ad hominem - calling me an idiot and everyone else stupid. Sorry for feeding the troll...I didn't realize, although I should have guessed...that's pretty typical troll behavior.

I'll refrain from making any responses to Zenwick the troll from now on.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:06 PM

8th grade logic vs 2nd grade reading comprehension

Of course, the chief failure of Greenwald's argument, one that an 8th-grade logic student could point out, is that in the case of Israel, the civilians are not the prime target. The Hamas leader was.

If you had an 8th grade level of reading comprehension, you might understand that the distinction you claim he is unable to make isn't even the topic of the post. Glenn has repeatedly noted that the violence is unacceptable no matter who is hurling the bombs.

At the top of the page where you wrote your exercise in not being able to read, in a gray box, is a synopsis of the topic at hand:

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

I'm amazed that Greenwald cannot make this distinction.

Perhaps you would be less amazed if you made an attempt to actually understand what you've read before posting. Your little "distinction", like others that have come before in this thread, is a perfectly transparent illustration of his point.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:08 PM

Klytus

no wai!

GBT is here, that means the discussion is now about GBT and GBT's supreme blackness and knowledge of all things black.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:10 PM

Let me finish your sentence, GBT

Majority of Americans do not care about humanity and it's absence even on our own soil...

Unless they are as black as me and hate whitey! Black Power!

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:10 PM

GOLDFARB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Xoh_W4I5E

"...A long track record of anti-Israel anti-Semetic and anti-American rhetoric"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Xoh_W4I5E

Proof that Michael Golfarb thinks anti-Israel = anti-Semetic = anti-American rhetoric.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 04:11 PM

No, Mona, there was no irony and I think I over-reacted to you. However, the vast majority of

us living here got sick and tired of the shamroguery practised by far too many Americans e.g. the Kennedys. Paul McCartney is British through-and-through but his ancestors were Irish and that's the way of many families in what, for geographical neatness, are called the British Isles. Liverpool, one of the closest ports to Ireland, acquired such a large influx of Irish during the 19th century that it's been jokingly referred to as "the capital of Ireland".

I'm sorry for snapping at you but I'd just seen Dick Cheney on television spinning his web. The situation in Gaza is horrific and, whatever their faults may have been, the colonial power, Britain, never bombed Dublin, Belfast or any other centre of population on our island.

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