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Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:00 AM

Orwell, blinding tribalism, selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

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Sunday, January 4, 2009 02:50 PM

Satanic is oozing all over the place so I'll keep this short to allow space for his scintillating screeds,

as the writing-bug only bit him for the first time on 30th December. Condoleeza Rice, Secretary of State, has never been to Gaza and that sort of shows all objective observers how highly she thinks of those people under the cosh. As someone who places inordinate importance on shoes, she should have been in the British capital yesterday when thousands of protestors stood outside the Israeli Embassy in Whitehall and hurled shoes in the direction of the embassy gates. The police guarding the gates had to be quick off the mark to deflect the shoes which were real although the gesture was symbolic of what is now seen as the deadly nexus of two countries separated by thousands of miles but held together by grappling hooks.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 02:53 PM

@Zenwick

I'm speaking in simple English. But, let me repeat myself in even simpler English.

You say in your comment that "Jews in Arab countries were robbed of their land."

Well, I'm telling you that you are mistaken because 90% of the Jews living in Israel have NO historical ties to the land there whatsoever.

Historically Israel was occupied by Semetic people (Semetic people meaning people of ARABIC decent- this includes mostly Muslim people, but also a small portion of Christians and Jewish people- roughly 10%) The other 90% of the Jews living in Israel are of EUROPEAN or CAUCASIAN decent and NOT of ARABIC decent. Thus 90% (i.e. the ruling class of Israel) have NO historical claim to the land. So when you say that "Jews in Arab countries were robbed of their land"...you are mistaken, it is actually the other way around...It is Arabic people who have historical claim to the land, NOT European Jews.

Do I need to further simplify my explanation for you, Zenwick? To others who can understand what I am saying, am I making any sense, or is this guy just lacking on his comprehension skills?

[Note: Most people don't realize that the phrase "anti-semite" as it is used to refer to Jewish hatred or bigotry is a bit of a misnomer. "Semite" refers to people of Arabic decent. Thus a more correct phrase for Jewish prejudice is "anti-Jewish".]

Sunday, January 4, 2009 02:56 PM

Shocked, Awed and Disgusted

Since the attack on the World Trade Centre towers we have witnessed an unceasing wave of violence, terror and illegality that has spiralled to encompass almost the entire globe and continues unchecked to this day. What has Israel done, except pick up the baton of cultural supremacy from the withered hand of the Bush White House. And every word which you direct at the government in Tel Aviv is equally applicable to the government in Washington, unless you believe $1 trillion and 1 million dead is a reasonable harvest in response to those tragic deaths in New York lo so many years ago. Can anyone honestly say the "war on terror" has brought them justice? No. A form of insanity appears to have gripped the heart of the West and one can only hope a way is found to weaken, dissipate it or distract it from its course before it proceeds to consume us all. Who knows whether Obama is brave enough?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 02:57 PM

Orcs and Hobbits

Especially since Israel has yet to accept an independent Palestinian state on Israel's 1967 borders.

If the Palestinians agreed they wanted peace without the destruction of Israel, that would probably be on the table. They have not yet so agreed, and that's why the current fighting.

In accordance with Glenn's request to stay on topic, I have not been arguing with zenwick's and WinSmith's many lies and distortions of Israeli/Palestinian history. I call them lies advisedly, and not as some kind of ad hominem attack, because you have would have to be extremely naive (and attached as Glenn asks) and ignorant to actually believe them. Well, it is just barely possible that WinSmith is that naive; I sometimes think so.

But this one is perhaps germane, the thread that runs through all the troll army's posting is the essentially the same: Israel is a nice, peace-loving country that would love to not be killing Palestinians, but those crazy peace-hating Palestinians keep forcing them to. You just can't argue with subhuman maniacs like that, so we have to kill them and their children.

But the falsehood above is so blatant, so wrong, so completely out to lunch that I can't believe anybody could even bring themselves to type it out, let alone anybody above the age of say 10 to take it seriously.

1) The PLO already HAS made that declaration. More importantly, 2) if Israel declared its willingness to make peace based on 1967 borders, ie remove the settlements and the Wall, and give up East Jerusalem, and allow a free and independent Palestinian state, I am about as sure as it is possible to be, that even at this late date, they would get a full and comprehensive peace deal faster than you could say Menachim Begin.

That option has never been on the table, and never will be in the foreseeable future.

What the troll army, and indeed Israel's spokepeople generally, are trying to do is obscure any possible understanding of why it is that Palestinians behave the way they do, other than that they are evil violent insane subhumans who deserve nothing other than death, and always have been. (Basically, orcs attacking the nice Israeli hobbits.) No other explanation can be tolerated.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 02:59 PM

The following speech Was delivered by Anti Zionist Orthodox Jews at the “Emergency Protest to Stop the Massacre in Gaza” rally, Rockefeller Center, New York City, December 27, 2008, 2.00 PM

Source: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Speeches/20081227.cfm

May our words be pleasing to the Creator and cause His Great Name to be sanctified.

Assalaam Aleikhum:

The world stands aghast as the atrocities being committed by the Zionist regime in Gaza, becomes known in ever greater and shocking detail.

Mere words are insufficient to express the pain that all mankind feels at the plight of the Gaza and Palestinian people.

For over one hundred years, they have been subject to a carefully conceived plan, to drive them from their homes and their land.

Throughout their history, the Zionists have resorted to intimidation, war, ethnic cleansing and state—sponsored terrorism to achieve their goals.

This is, has been and continues to be, the criminal agenda of the Zionist movement. But among this movement’s greatest crimes, is that it has claimed to carry out these nefarious actions in the name of holiness, in the name of the Almighty, in the name of Judaism and the Jewish people !!

This is a wicked and monstrous lie !!

It is a desecration of our religion !!

Judaism forbids and rejects Zionism and the existence of the State of “Israel”. We have been expressly commanded by the Almighty that we are forbidden to have our own sovereignty in this heavenly decreed exile, we are also forbidden to rebel against any nation. Torah believing Jews, under the leadership of the most esteemed rabbis of the 20th century have always opposed and fought against Zionism and ultimately the State of “Israel”.

Unfortunately in recent years the Zionists have succeed in seducing and co—opting members of the religious community and some rabbis into support of not allowing the return of the rightful owners, the Palestinian people, to their land, by fear mongering, by appealing to their worst fears, that there is a religious conflict and that the Arabs always have had an ingrained hate for the Jews. Especially, they claim, that because of the many years of the existence of the State of “Israel”, if the Palestinians where to return to their land, they would massacre the Jews, may the Almighty protect us.

Anyone familiar with the ploys and techniques of the Zionist State is aware of this fact.

Before the advent of Zionism, Muslims and Christian, Arabs and Jews, lived peacefully together in the Holy Land, as in all the Muslim lands, — Ask your grandparents! — They remember those peaceful days! And in fact it is here the opportune time to thank all the Muslim countries for their extraordinary friendship, hospitality and safe haven that they have provided to the Jewish people throughout the ages!

The Zionists rely on the Bible, the Torah, for their imaginary right to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and to subjugate them. This is a pathetic joke! The Zionists have always been heretics and rejected all the fundamental tenets of our faith, and yet they have the nerve, the arrogance, the audacity, the chutzpa, to pretend to base their behavior on our holy Torah.

We know what our holy writings and our great rabbis have taught us — that we are forbidden to subjugate or oppress anyone or to desecrate the holiness of the Holy Land with paths of violence, ethnic cleansing, discrimination and military power. Our religion teaches justice. It teaches peace. It teaches compassion. In fact, the greatest and ultimate hope and prayer of the Jewish people is, that when the Messiah comes that then “Nation shall no longer lift up sword against nation, and they will make war no more.” All nations will serve God together in peace.

To the governments of the world, it is not through your support of the Zionist regime — the State of “Israel”, that the Jewish people are being helped! On the contrary, this tragic historical mistake has led to the killing of Arabs and Jews alike. The governments of the great powers, by supporting the State of “Israel” are not only harming the Palestinian people but they are also unwittingly contributing to the growth of hostility towards Jews worldwide!

To our Jewish brethren, we beg! Do not be intimidated by ruthless Zionist bullying and violence!! — Proclaim loudly and clearly your outrage, pain and sympathy for the people of Gaza and that those who show contempt for the Torah, the teachings of our rabbis, and disregard the ethical and moral basics of our faith, have no right to speak on behalf of the Jewish People or Judaism!

We must tell the world that self rule, sovereignty and ALL the rights of the Palestinian people, must be restored throughout historic Palestine! This is a requirement of Jewish ethics and values! Jewish justice demands the return of the Palestinian refugees to their homes, towns, villages and cities throughout Palestine! Tell the world, loudly and clearly, that you support Palestinian statehood over the ENTIRE Holy Land —— not despite your Jewish identity, but because of it.

To our Islamic brethren – let us speak up for the people of Gaza and please do not judge the Jewish faith or its people, on the basis of this passing lunacy of Zionism. The Jews have always been your friends and cousins. Do not allow your understandable anger to be directed at those who are innocent of wrongdoing, regardless of whether they reside in Occupied Palestine, Europe, or anywhere around the globe.

Together, people of all nations, may we be worthy, with God’s help, speedily and peacefully, without further suffering and bloodshed of anyone, be it Arab or Jew, to witness the peaceful end of the Zionist occupation over every inch of Palestine.

And may we yet merit to see, in the very near future, the revelation of the One God, over the entire world, with all mankind in His servitude, in joyous brotherhood.

AMEN

Let’s Proclaim Together:

FREE GAZA – FREE PALESTINE

JUDAISM YES ZIONISM NO !

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