Neither of us appreciates being painted with so broad a brush.

You can spend days picking the burrs out afterwards can't you?

That's what it'll be like trying to rid America of Israel. try this:

Israeli Wiretappers, the NSA, and 9/11.

Along with the mass surveillance being conducted on all U.S. users of AT&T and Verizon by Narus and Verint, (according to Bamford), two other Israeli-owned companies, Amdocs and NICE Systems, have their fingers in the wiretapping pie as well.

"Together, Verint and Amdocs form part of the backbone of the government's domestic intelligence surveillance technology. Both companies are based in Israel – having arisen to prominence from that country's cornering of the information technology market – and are heavily funded by the Israeli government, with connections to the Israeli military and Israeli intelligence (both companies have a long history of board memberships dominated by current and former Israeli military and intelligence officers). Verint is considered the world leader in "electronic interception" and hence an ideal private sector candidate for wiretap outsourcing.

http://911blogger.com/node/18981.

same shtick, different day...

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Glenn Greenwald is either blind or retarded

All day MSNBC and CNN has had nothing but Palestinian mouthpieces with an open to mike anything they like for as long as they like, unchallenged, without even the pretense of questions being asked.

Who does Glenn blame for this? The Jews?

More to the point, why is it official Israeli policy to prohibit reporters from entering Gaza and reporting? We see reports from Gaza but only from al Jezeera via youtube. How about ITV, New York Times, Washington Times. None have been given access by Isreal. Do we know if Egypt is allowing entry?

I found this element of your statement to be the one that gave it a particularly racist tenor. As if any culture celebtrates death over life. As we see today from Goldfarb, there are some on both sides that find something to celebrate in the deaths of innocent civilians, as long as their on the other side.

Fair enough. I can't make any statements about Palestinian culture based on mass celebrations of the killing of innocents, or I'm racist. It's completely irrelevant, totally normal since every culture does it, as proven by the fact that GW landed on an aircraft carrier, and we're all therefore guilty of it. Yeah, that makes sense.

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My retort: I don't see how blinding yourself to world events makes you enlightened. I don't see how it helps to try to frame Palestinians' explicitly homicidal celebrations in the context of a GW PR stunt, or how that will lead to understanding.

But you are correct that my statement was too broad. I should have said that large factions within Palestine celebrate the death of innocent civilians, rather than assigning it to their entire culture. Is that something you would agree with, or is it also racist to merely mention this fact?

All day MSNBC and CNN has had nothing but [Israeli] mouthpieces with an open to mike anything they like for as long as they like, unchallenged, without even the pretense of questions being asked.

Who does Glenn blame for this? The Jews?

-- The Satanic Jews of Hollywood

I'm sure the above has NEVER happened in the US Media.

This stuff writes itself.

The difference being that I never voted for GW, I was against the Iraq war from the beginning, and even converted people to my side, to throw the bastards out. And we did throw them out, and now we're going to get out of Iraq and stop bloodying our hands.

Why do you hate Israel? Why do you want the US to withdraw and turn Israel over to the tender mercies of the Iranians and the Saudis and the others who want to drive them into the sea?

Anti-Semite!

With me, it was my daddy vis-a-vis Ireland. As a young adult, I sent money several times to an American-Irish organization that supposedly made only political and humanitarian contributions to the folks in the old sod living under the British heel.

Eventually, I became educated to the fact that almost certainly some of that money was going to purchase guns and bombs. My heart is still with the persecuted green Irish, but I want no part of such atrocities as blowing up Lord Mountbatten on his boat, Harrod's Department Store & etc.

As a teen The Beatles had a song that was true music to my ears: Give Ireland Back to the Irish. But the reality is, orange Irish had been in Ireland for some 500 years and were and are not going back; they are rooted as citizens of Ireland.

So eventually, I "grew up" morally and intellectually on that issue, coming to realize that both sides were going to have to negotiate peace and learn to live together. And IRA bombs (or British military atrocities) were not going to effect that.

Further, while I did and do have no objections to the U.S. participating in brokering peace, I don't think America should have taken sides, notwithstanding the enormous Irish-Catholic voting bloc in this nation.

"What I don't get is what caused Israelis to become so afraid all the time. And yeah, those IDF kids are, a lot of them, scared to death."

Are they? Well, maybe they should be. I mean, if I brutalized, degraded, humiliated, and oppressed millions of my neighbors, I would be a little on-edge too, no?

You don't get courage when you are a parasite. You don't get courage when you pick on the weak and helpless. You don't get courage by being a bully.

There is only going to be more bloodshed. I have no idea why anybody would want to live in Israel. Buses are going to blow up, coffee shops are going to blow up, and I swear to God, if one fucking American target is hit because of this, Americans will lose it, and Israel's little pajama party in Washington will come to a swift and sudden end.

I feel bad, and I worry. It's only gonna get worse, but that's what Israel's leaders want. They are vampires, and they feed off the blood of Arabs and their own citizens.

But I am going to be hard pressed to feel sorry for any Israeli politicians or apologists when the suicide bombers start picking off their children one by one. What goes around comes around. And it's gonna happen, the whole world knows it is going to happen. And the Jewish narrative of poor-little-me-victim will continue, and their parasitic relationship with America will continue, and Obama will make speeches to standing ovations on how we stand beside our poor, helpless Israelis. And the next bloodthirsty bastard who Israel chooses to lead them will speak in front of our Congress, and will recieve standing ovations, because oh, we feel so sorry for them.

It's an absurd tragedy.