Do WinSmith, Zenwick, and the other Israel-Firster defendings all things Zionist even give the slightest shit about how this war could affect the United States? Any mention of how blind US support for Israel is one of Osama Bin Laden's main recruiting tools? (one of many) Any talk about how 100% US support of Israel is EXACTLY what AQ and the "terrorists" want the United States to do? Any discussion of the disconnect between the American people and their rogue Government?

Nope. It's all about how Israel is a democracy and has a right to defend itself and blah fucking blah *insert yet another Israel-First talking point while accusing those who disagree of "hating Jews" (even though most of those disagreeing are themselves Jewish)*. Not a damn word about how their "All About Israel" position compromises the security of their own country (or what is supposedly their country).

Like Michael Schueur wrote in response to the Joe Klein "dual loyalty" snafu:

Now that the dust has settled in the spat between journalist Joe Klein and the ideologues at Commentary, it is time to regret the ink spilled over the non-issue of "dual loyalties." The idea that there are U.S. citizens who have equal loyalties to the United States and Israel is passé. American Israel-firsters have long since dropped any pretense of loyalty to the United States and its genuine national interests. They have moved brazenly into the Israel first, last, and always camp. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Norman Podhoretz, Victor Davis Hanson, the Rev. Franklin Graham, Alan Dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani, Douglas Feith, the Rev. Rod Parsley, Paul Wolfowitz, James Woolsey, Bill Kristol, the Rev. John Hagee, and the thousands of wealthy supporters of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) appear to care about the United States only so far as Washington is willing to provide immense, unending funding and the lives of young U.S. service personnel to protect Israel. These individuals and their all-for-Israel journals – Commentary, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Wall Street Journal – amount to nothing less than a fifth column intent on involving 300 million Americans in other peoples' religious wars, making them pay and bleed to protect a nation in which the United States has no genuine national security interest at stake.

Re: the dancing thing - the kid gets the 73 virgins, we celebrate wealth + sex + power too. we fear death.

Liberals, welcome to the real world where you shoot both of them. Thats what war is. Get over it.

you are hereby determined to be a Serious commenter

"Fact is Hamas puts civilians right on top or near its ammo dumps"

I heard that line in a movie once. And the cop turned round and said, "Save it for the war crime judge honey, its wasted on me."

Iraq, Iran, Syria and the rest of the Middle East have been continually at war for CENTURIES. Without end. Quite a different matter.

Can you give the names and dates of even some of those wars?

And if, in fact, that was true, why would the Zionists choose such a war-prone region to establish their settlements?

But first, the names and/or dates of any wars which can any validity to that baseless and racist canard.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/03/gaza-diary-israel or click sig

The Guardian lets a Palestinian chronicle life in a ghetto under constant bombardment by cowards in the skies.

"...I have visited Israel during my life. I have a strong appreciation for the basic goodness of the Israeli people, their initiative in creating something from nothing, and their attempts to set a good example even under physical (as well as rhetorical) attack..."

Did you also visit Gaza and find the Palestinians to be sub-or-inhuman, deserving of being robbed of their land, caged and starved ?

Is, like any other country, any other border, based on the will of the people within those borders and the consensus of those around it.

Israel was created by fiat, not from any God, but from a body of mostly western European powers -- the same that had been colonizing the region of Palestine for centuries.

Consensus of ex-colonial powers on creating by fiat, whole cloth from nothing at all, the state of Israel does not a legitimate country make.

I'm sorry, it is that simple. Israel never had much legitimacy to begin with. That is why the West spends billions a year defending it: Israel is just a friendly outpost and client state of oil-addicted European and American powers.

There is no God, there is no Promised Land, and the only way Israel can become legitimate is to voluntarily disarm, permit foreign peacekeepers to take over and begin to negotiate in earnest with its neighbors.

Not a two state solution, a one state solution, and a democratic one, with Arabs and Jews voting equally.

If that means the end of Israel as we know it, so be it.

"Liberals, welcome to the real world where you shoot both of them. Thats what war is. Get over it."

Another racist, Jewish-Supremacist. They just seem to come out of the woodwork at times like this.

As I've posted before and agree with:

American voters must start using the democratic process to begin removing themselves from the religious war known as the Arab-Israeli conflict. Disengagement will take time, hard work, and a steadfast commitment to the rule of law. Three actions are well within the voters' capability, and their use would bring pressure on federal officials to stop killing America's children in wars between Arabs and Israelis.

1. Voters should press federal representatives to end taxpayer funding for the National Endowment for Democracy and other such organizations. These organizations' main function is to promote the fallacy that U.S. interests are served by making sure that Israel – "the embattled island of democracy in the Middle East" – is protected, and that the lives of American children should be joyfully spent to bring democracy to foreigners in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

2. Voters should not vote for any candidate for federal office who accepts contributions from AIPAC or any other Israel-first organization. This decision would be an important step in beginning to sweep clean the Augean stable that is American politics.

3. Voters of all faiths must press their religious leaders to regularly, publicly, and specifically denounce the evangelical Protestant preachers whose fire-and-brimstone support for Israel involves Americans in religious wars in which U.S. interests are not threatened.

Neutralizing the Israel-first fifth column must be done, but it must be accomplished using legitimate democratic tools: voting, lobbying, free speech, and support for candidates pledged to keep America out of other peoples' religious wars. The invocation of the anti-Semite epithet by the Israel-firsters should be ignored. To be silenced by the slurs of the Israel-firsters is to ignominiously invite the end of American independence by subordinating U.S. interests to those of a foreign nation, as well as to forget the warning of the greatest American. "If men are precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind," George Washington said in March 1783, "reason is of no use to us; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and, dumb and silent, we may be led, like sheep, to the slaughter." As long as the Israel-firsters can define the limits of acceptable public discourse, Americans are on their way to the slaughter.