Not sure I understand your post...I'll be here a little longer but pretty tired and also getting a little bored.

What else could Israel actually do? Try to negotiate? Palestine doesn't honour cease fires. It just point blank doesn't. The choice is between firing back, or sitting back and taking rocket attacks.

And one can't say "Hamas not Palestine" made war on Israel anymore than one could say "Bush not America" made war on Iraq. Palestine elected Hamas, just like America elected Bush.

War is horrible. There are no barbarians and civilised people in war, there are dead people and the people who killed them. It is something anybody with any sense wants to avoid, but if someone insists on making war on you, honestly, what else are you supposed to do?

Struck a nerve?

Anyhoo, back to the original Greenwald post. Your tribalism seems to be AMERICAN tribalism...you could care less about either dog in the Gaza fight, you don't want your tribe involved. They are all subhuman, as nonAmericans.

Your straw man arguments would be ridiculous if they weren't so absurd.

--- How is this a straw man? And how is it ridiculous or absurd? I think I have you pegged. You don't think so? Let's hear why. Show your work.

Let's face it these forums are simply a harmless way for folks who get off on opinions and erudition and occasionally mudslinging and argument to have a little fun. When we're done, we're done. I hope you learn something now and then here Sinnard. I know I do.

Msgkings, do you not see a problem with the following two statements, in the same post? You wrote:

"Buddy, calmate! Chillax. You're so enraged you don't even read the posts you attack."

And then ended with:

"Anyhoo, back to the original Greenwald post. Your tribalism seems to be AMERICAN tribalism...you could care less about either dog in the Gaza fight, you don't want your tribe involved. They are all subhuman, as nonAmericans."

So, according to your metric, if someone thinks we are not obligated to fight everyone else's wars, and give them cash we do not have, it means that person thinks those fighting the wars are all subhuman?

Incidentally, if you're going to castigate someone for not being calm, perhaps you should follow your own advice. It may help to make the rest of what you say worth reading.

--Ron

By the way I bet we agree on a lot of this stuff, I'm just able to rationally consider the other sides of things.

I make no apologies for not being "open-minded enough" when it comes to war crimes sponsored by a Government that is supposed to be representing me.

after I have lost of friends and even Canuckistan and Derbig could you stay for a while?

Is someone who always thinks everyone is dumber than they are, is out to get them, and has no right to ask anything of them.

See...just as ridiculous when others take your tone, Sinnard.

By the way I bet we agree on a lot of this stuff, I'm just able to rationally consider the other sides of things.

You're probably on this blog to do righteous battle with the liberals,

That's right, I'm here to "do battle" and not because I find Greenwald's blog, and most of the people that post on it, interesting.

unless a liberal issue overlaps with libertarian thought (as it often does...we centrists are amused by how often the radical left and the radical right coincide...it's like the spectrum is a circle not a line)

Oh boy. I guess you are another on of those "Spokespersons for the All the Centrists"? Like your type has never graced me, or these comments, with your presence before.

Anyhoo, back to the original Greenwald post. Your tribalism seems to be AMERICAN tribalism...you could care less about either dog in the Gaza fight, you don't want your tribe involved. They are all subhuman, as nonAmericans.

Your straw man arguments would be ridiculous if they weren't so absurd.

of course. and it seems like i've agreed with most, if not all, of glenn's points.

if anything i've just agreed with his points in any of my posts....

is that we will be forced to withdraw aid because we are too broke to do anything else, or we will be forced to fight forever and live in a police state because the war comes home. With our current policies, our destiny will be one or the other. Happy New Year!

Buddy, calmate! Chillax. You're so enraged you don't even read the posts you attack.

Really, what does remind you of a centrist? I'm guessing you divide people into 3 groups: fellow libertarians, radical statist adversaries, and dumb sheep who don't have brains to be with you or against you. Pretty childish outlook.

You got me! which is why I read Glenn Greenwald's blog and post in his comment section! Because everyone that posts here is so likeminded!

---See, I didn't say you thought everyone was likeminded, or that you only engaged with the same. I said you, like a good radical, think everyone is on your team, evilly (is that a word?) against you, or too dumb to be either one. You're probably on this blog to do righteous battle with the liberals, unless a liberal issue overlaps with libertarian thought (as it often does...we centrists are amused by how often the radical left and the radical right coincide...it's like the spectrum is a circle not a line)

Anyhoo, back to the original Greenwald post. Your tribalism seems to be AMERICAN tribalism...you could care less about either dog in the Gaza fight, you don't want your tribe involved. They are all subhuman, as nonAmericans.

Is someone who doesn't want to think critically out of fear and always wants give the benefit of the doubt while their Government and its goon friends take them for a ride.

Why does he have to fit in some box or label? I don't know about Mr. Sinnard, but I know I resent people trying to make me fit into some simplistic box for the convenience of their mental shortcuts. As far as his point, I tend to think it's a rational one, why is Israel being treated as our 51st State (by US leadership)? They sure don't treat us that way.

I think that our aid has actually made things worse all over the world, overall, because it's enabled bad policies and practices to be continued longer. Israel/Palestine is just the most potent example I'm aware of.

--Ron

Msgkings to Sinnard: "---I'm sensing some Paulism here...libertarian?"