Even in those few instances where I have a differing opinion, I find that your outlook is supported by fact and reasoned,although another viewpoint is also reasonable.

In this instance, However, I find your analysis is EXACTLY correct. Bravo for your honesty and insight.

Even in those few instances where I have a differing opinion, I find that your outlook is supported by fact and reasoned,although another viewpoint is also reasonable.

In this instance, However, I find your analysis is EXACTLY correct. Bravo for your honesty and insight.

You've displayed absolutely no wit in responding to me. If you'd even read what I originally said, you might have found at least some areas of agreement. For example, I explicitly stated that Israel's bombing of civilians is not justified, and that our own bombing of civilians is even worse. Do you agree or disagree?

Painting me as some sort of knee-jerk Israeli apologist merely calls attention to your own knee jerking. I'm not, and I resent the implication.

Pretending that the celebration of martyrdom is not a part of Palestinian culture, or that America has an equivalent practice, is just flat ridiculous, and also quite exemplary of the fatuous moral relativism that pervades epistemological thought these days. Tolerance of intolerance is not a virtue, nor something to be wished for.

You might want to read up on the rights of Arab Israeli citizens. They have far more rights than Jews do in Arab countries

Having been defeated in the "Israel is the best thing" stage, we go to "Israel is a necessity, even tho not so good" stage. Then that gets batted down and we finally reach the "But Israel is not as bad as..." stage. Whoopee!

Okay, Israel is not quite as bad, about some things, as some other regimes. So? Is that why the United Nations made them a state? So Israel could operate as a regime "not as bad as..."

Why are any citizens of Israel, whether Reform or Ultra-Orthodox Jew or Christian or Muslim all catgorised and dealt with on those bases? What happened to "Democracy"

I'm frankly suspicious of both.

The Reddit page has a link to this newstory of the time. It claims that a photograph comparable to one of the stills is from that article.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/23/world/main881068.shtml

But it isn't.

Well, having killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, I'm glad that we don't worship death in our culture. That would make us no better than Hamas.

I'm not sure how you can read an article clearly stating we have little way of knowing the population of Palestinians in Israel in 1948 and then tell me I'm definitively wrong.

First off, your article estimates the TOTAL Palestinian population at the time, including the West Bank and Gaza.

The question is how many Palestinians were displaced in 1948 by the formation of Israel (original borders, not post 1967 borders including Gaza and W.B.). The likelihood is, given that some became Israeli citizens, it was as little as 100,000. Far less than Jews stripped of their land and money by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Estimates are that over 800,000 Jews were stripped of their land and money in the 1940s by neighboring Arab countries and sent into exile (most emigrated to Israel or the United States).

Waldman, who now lives in San Rafael, is a Mizrahi Jew, one of nearly 856, 000 Jews who fled Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia and Yemen in an exodus that began after the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 and ended about 1970. Today, only an estimated 5,000 Jews remain in Arab lands, most of them in Morocco.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03/28/MNGB65SHHV1.DTL

Do you weep for the Lebanese, Moroccan, Syrian, Tunisian and Yemenese Jews who lost their land in the 1940s? Do you demand JUSTICE for these acts?

This context is vital when understanding the suffering of the Palestinians. The massive migration of people among these countries did not occur in a Palestinians-only vacuum.

This is last historical post, as per Glenn's request that we only discuss his facts (while he questions our biases and motivations).

"You're right from your side, and i'm right from mine ---

we're both just one too many mornings, and a thousand miles behind"

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song lyrics

Didn't look hard enough. Yes it is from the same 2005 event. Yuck.

even though one side may be far stronger than the other (less so does no mean completely inelastic it is true, there can still be dispute about which actions constitute warfare and which do not).

Clearly much brighter people than you. Israeli-Arab warfare has not been going on for "centuries." Perhaps you're thinking of Christian-Arab warfare. Far and away the more war-mongering and massacring religion of the past 1000 years has been Christianity. Convenient how that always gets left out of our history books.

I've reached the breaking point with your sanctimony on this issue. It's really gotten tiring.

First off, THE VIDEO YOU LINKED TO IS NOT CURRENT. It's from September 23, 2005 when a pickup truck filled with munitions (likely Qassams) exploded at a Hamas parade in the Jabaliya refugee camp. And it took me all of 30 seconds to find that out. Just Google "muslimtv video israel gaza fake" and it's the third hit. From reddit.com.

Great example of journalism, Glenn. If some right-wing hack tried that ploy, there'd be hell to pay. And you'd be doling it out. That's not journalism, that's propaganda.

But leaving aside your incredibly irresponsible (and hugely disappointing) posting of that video, when will you actually talk about the larger issues surrounding the conflict? You write as if there are no other actors in this insanity besides Israel, the Palestinians and the United States. In posting close to 10,000 words since the Israeli government's attack, Iran and Egypt have been mentioned in your columns exactly three times each, Syria once, and Saudi Arabia a grand total of zero. And astoundingly enough, never in the context of the geo-political issues which play a major role in what's happening. The only reason the word "Egypt" came into play was because you posted a transcript of David Gregory on Meet The Press where he mentioned them twice. The other time was in reference to a poll. And say what you will about Gregory, at least he brought up Egypt's role in this mess. You've said absolutely nothing, Glenn.

I have to ask (rhetorically): Are there larger issues in this conflict? Reading your voluminous pieces one would never know. Basically, according to you: Israel=bad. Palestinians=oppressed. United States=bought off.

In-depth analysis here is astonishingly absent. Instead of posting another 2,000 words on how bad the situation in Gaza is (we've got eyes) why don't you try and enlighten your readers by actually talking about the larger political issues surrounding this struggle.

About the only historical nugget you seem inclined to address is that the Palestinians have been occupied and oppressed for 40 years. In that context, you all but justify their rockets and suicide attacks. Well, if that's your game, then you lose. What's to stop a Marty Peretz from telling you to fuck off based on the same argument? 40 years? Try 2,000. Most every Jew, hawk and dove, will tell you that they're weary of listening to the world lecture Israel on the subject of morality. Especially when the last 70 years of Jewish consciousness is -- putting it mildly -- stained by incomprehensible tragedy.

But you seem unwilling to address these larger issues. What do the Iranians and the Syrians have to gain? To lose? What's happening behind the scenes with the Egyptians and the Saudis? How does Iraq figure into the equation?

Is this column not the place for those questions? Well, I beg to differ. This is precisely the place for it. And reasoned analysis is precisely what will end this conflict. I mean really, when you write about FISA, isn't it important to know all the players and why they're in the game? Or is it simply Bush/Cheney=bad, Greenwald=good?

If you're going to devote as much passion to this issue as you do, as a journalist, you owe your readers more than polls and outrage. After all, polls mean nothing (especially when propaganda videos abound) and outrage only takes you so far. Then again, you posted the link to that video. Maybe outrage is all you're about. You certainly don't seem interested in journalism when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.