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Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:00 AM

Orwell, blinding tribalism, selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

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Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:40 AM

Zenwick

The funny part is that you seem to have no idea how obvious you are.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:40 AM

Do I dare say what is happening in Gaza is part of the master plan?

"We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them, ... we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years' time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart."

(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1973

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html?q=mapstellstory.html

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"Let us approach them [the Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories] and say that we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads. In five years we may have 200,000 less people - and that is a matter of enormous importance."

(Moshe Dayan, September 1967)

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"

(Yitzhak Rabin, July 1948)

"I deeply believe in launching preventive war against the Arab States without further hesitation. By doing so we will achieve two targets: firstly, the annihilation of Arab power; and secondly, the expansion of our territory."

(Menachem Begin, 12 October 1955)

"The Americans do not understand the first thing about the Middle East and the Arabs. ... Israel is now reaping the benefits of this ignorance. But the benevolent hour is waning."

(Aluf Benn, 13 May 2004)

"I am sure that most Americans are not even aware that Palestinians live under Israeli military occupation and that every day Palestinian territory shrinks as it is stolen by fanatical Israeli colonists. These fanatics do not differ in any obvious way from the French colonists in Algeria, which the French also proclaimed "French soil." But colonialism is just another word for grand larceny."

(Juan Cole, 17 September 2004)

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:41 AM

@Runaway Trainman

Nothing seems to change in the Middle East. Centuries of history illustrate that

Israel, an armed Jewish State (by its own description) has been there for centuries??? Please tell us about that.

I thought Zionist colonisation started in the early 1900s, culminating with the UN declaration of Israeli Statehood in '48(under conditions they promptly violated)

How does that add up to "centuries"?

Another crazy flight of fantasy. "Centuries"

Are you prehaps thinking of the Crusades?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:42 AM

Gator90

On the other hand, the success of some American Jews in using the American political process to bring about and maintain special treatment for Israel does not offend me, as it offends you.

You're wrong. It doesn't offend me. Lots of group inside the U.S. lobby for their views. There's nothing wrong with that.

I object to what they do because I think they policies they bring about are wrong and destructive, and I want to find a way to counter-balance it. I don't object because I think there's something illegitimate about their political activism.

Now a question for you: Do you imagine that you have achieved a perfect state of objectivity concerning Israel and the Palestinians?

Of course not. I don't think humans are capable of achieving a perfect state of objectivity. We all bring our subjective experiences to everything we think about.

But, as I said in an earlier comment, I think those who want to be rational have the obligation to actively examine the extent to which their personal and cultural biases infect their analysis. And where one's ostensibly political assessment so frequently aligns with the cultural/social/religious biases with which one has long been inculcated, I think a heightened level of self-examination and skepticism is warranted, to wit:

Am I on the side of Israelis because I'm a Jew who was taught early on that Israel is good and that it's my tribe (or because I'm an evangelical Christian who wants Israel protected for theological reasons), or have I worked hard to separate that bias and I support Israel because it's consistent with my principles that I apply to non-Israel questions as well?

Just ask those whom you hear vehemently defending Israel -- especially liberals who don't typically join the right-wing factions that do except when it comes to Israel -- if they have a special attachment to Israel, and I think you'll find the percentage is extremely high that the answer is "yes." I think it's pretty clear that's not a coincidence.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:42 AM

Virulent strain of radical Judaism

From Glenn's article:

Here's right-wing blogger (and law professor) Glenn Reynolds revealing that wretched mindset for all to see:

“Cycles of violence” continue until one side wins decisively. Personally, I’d rather that were the Israelis, since they’re civilized people and not barbarians.

Or, as Goldfarb put it: "it's not clear that they are rational, at least not like us."

This is the Jewish-Supremicist mindset. The racist, Zionist belief which permeates our news rooms and media boardrooms. It is accepted in the United States. Indeed, it is the only form of racism and supremicism accepted and unquestioned by mainstream America.

It's much easier to undervalue the suffering imposed on The Other when you don't have to see it.

Which is why Al-Jazeera is not available on DishTV or DirecTV satellite television providers. We might see Iraqis and Iranians as real human beings, with families, different points of view, and love of freedom and peace. It’s hard to cheer them being bombed when you have seen them smiling, holding their children.

Perhaps this is a religious problem. Perhaps there is a problem within Judiasm, just as there is a problem within all religions.

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