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Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:00 AM

Orwell, blinding tribalism, selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza

Extreme emotional and cultural identification with one side leads people to believe that X is good when done by them and evil when done to them.

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Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:32 AM

Derbig Mooser, you are a patent liar

Your criticism that Israel does not kill enough Palestinians, nor kill them britally enough? That's some criticism.

In fact, I said the very opposite of that, you liar. I said that Israel needs to stop the bombs and use ground troops instead, because the civilian casualties from bombing are unacceptable when we do it, and also unacceptable when Israel does it.

The post is right there for everyone to read, so lying about it isn't going to solve anything.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:33 AM

"X is good when they do it and evil when it's done to them. "

This would be the case when "they" are liberals and "it" is community standards.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:34 AM

@omooex

Ah, good thinking. So, it is the "liberals" again?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:34 AM

London Lad, you're probably living in Golders Green but you don't know that the Bennett family

had very high notions and the cup would have been porcelain. They had "musicales" in the parlour every Sunday afternoon and though two of his aunts were what were called "shopgirls" they loved the cinema and got their ideas on femininity from the likes of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, so it would all be very stylish with no butt-kicking. Be off with you now. Surely you have some Birth Certificates to peruse. I know a distraction when I see one. The news (as little of it as can seep out) is grim.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:34 AM

The trick Mooser...

one must be able to [at least] invision Russia from the porch. Fortunately (for those not gifted with such 'visions'), modern technology, for the first time in human history, has enabled everyone - everywhere to actually see the entire planet as a whole.

like this: >"Correction.

"among the first in the world to farm". I've just come indoors from cold, crisp winter weather and, as I saw the sun setting, I thought of all those human beings squashed together in that strip of land, Gaza, and the grotesque show of power that Israel is enacting. Night has come earlier to Gaza than it has to New York or San Francisco. The European media is being kept out of Gaza and we don't have to wonder why." --maureen O.

You got to admit, mooser, maureen can hit-a-lick every once in while.

bah.

~*p.s. mooser. also, you are wrong about jewish princesses.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:35 AM

@ Renegade, a question back to you

Have you fully read these two articles that other commenters provided on this thread? After you have read them, then see if you can maintain your position or if you are willing to see more of the truth.

Johann Hari: The true story behind this war is not the one Israel is telling

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-true-story-behind-this-war-is-not-the-one-israel-is-telling-1214981.html

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS CONCERNING THE GAZA HOLOCAUST

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/questions-and-answers-concerning-the-gaza-holocaust/

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:35 AM

@Omooex

It took exactly forty five seconds to find an example of Americans celebrating deaths...

Omooex

Thanks. It is amazing, isn't it. They just go off into a parallel universe, whenever this subject is raised.

And the funniest part is- if Judaism was what they see it as, a religious underpinning to a expansionist settler-state, which obligates every Jew to a loyalty to a land not his own they would hate it!

I mean, isn't that what their big complaints with the Muslims is?

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:37 AM

Strange language in the New York Times

An article in Saturday's New York Times had some strange language.

"... Jawaher, a 14-year old who has United States citizenship..."

I guess that if you're an American living in Gaza you lose your right to be called an American. At least according to the New York Times. It's pretty damn strange language that reveals a pretty damn sick state of mind.

Not only are Palestinians being dehumanized in our press but so are Palestinian Americans. This is really crossing the line.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:38 AM

@omooex

Zenwick

I thought you'd finally come out and admitted to being a troll yesterday.

"Anyway, it has gotten boring here. I'm done. Bye."

I doubt anyone believes you have sincere feelings one way or the other.

Omooex, my Palestinian pal. Still smarting from not being able to respond to anyone whose viewpoint is different than yours without threatening physical violence? As I said, my friend, YOU are the problem, and you are on public display here. I'm sure your feelings are very sincere, and are shared wholeheartedly by terrorists everywhere.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:39 AM

Gaza now, Warsaw in WWII

Palestinian civilians and Hamas terrorists are held captive in Gaza, denied the right to travel, denied aid and commerce, starved, isolated and controlled. How is this so different from how WWII German military handled Jews and other "inhuman detritus" (which is how they viewed them) in Warsaw, the largest ghetto in Europe at the time? The ghetto was an isolation internment mechanism, a camp from which the German extracted Jews and others in manageable numbers to transport them to death camps. Here, the Israeli military is bringing war and death to Hamas but also to civilians in overwhelming numbers by air power and now land invasion.

The US and Israel are distinct sovereign nations. They must have their foreign policy and we ours. But, if we fund Israel with large amounts of foreign and military aid, then we carry an extra responsibility for how they apply it, and we have some leverage as well.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:39 AM

Renegade, Renegade, Renegade!

Why do I have to come back and spank your ass so quickly?

"Your criticism that Israel does not kill enough Palestinians, nor kill them britally enough?"

We stopped killing Palestinians when the Mandate finished back in the forties. And if you don't mind, even though we come from a small island as your wretched countryman and writer Bill Bryson never ceases to remind us our name is still spelt with a capital "B". If you don't mind, awfully.

Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:39 AM

Avery

I had a look at the Reddit link you posted and am somewhat suspicious. One of the photographs of the "Hamas Rocket Explosion" it claims appears alongside a CBS news article from 2005. However, that photograph does not appear in that article.

Take a look and see for yourself:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/23/world/main881068.shtml

Since that photograph does not appear in that article, then the photograph could have been taken at the time of the incident which occured during this attack. None of the evidence proves anything, or accomplishes much except making you waste your time chasing down ghosts. The reality is--even if the video is from 2005--the same, Israeli bombs kill people, they do it in very horrifying ways. I imagine that if Israel let media into its kill zone, there would be much more video available or at least proof that Israeli bombs turn Palestinian into little angels with wings that float up to heaven.

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